Calle
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Religion

Sat 23 Apr 2022, 16:04

How do you work with religion in Middle Earth? I know there are no churches, but do they have any kind of priests and devine services? Are men devoted to Yavanna?
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Re: Religion

Sat 23 Apr 2022, 16:14

Tolkien included very little formal religion in Middle-earth other than the cult of Melkor worship. But he didn't really explore the cultures of the distant East and far South. With Sauron dominating those regions, though, Melkor worship would likely be the norm.

Historically, there is a long tradition of ancestor worship in Asia, as well as belief in rulers thought to be descended from a divine dragon-god.
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Re: Religion

Sun 24 Apr 2022, 14:03

Tolkien deliberately excluded religion in Middle-earth largely to avoid having to reconcile it with his own Christian beliefs and his sense that Middle-earth was an earlier forgotten age of our world. Here are some excerpts from his letters on the point.

Letter 153
There are thus no temples or ‘churches’ or fanes in this 'world’ among 'good’ peoples. They had little or no 'religion' in the sense of worship. For help they may call on a Vala (as Elbereth), as a Catholic might on a Saint, though no doubt knowing in theory as well as he that the power of the Vala was limited and derivative. But this is a 'primitive age’: and these folk may be said to view the Valar as children view their parents or immediate adult superiors, and though they know they are subjects of the King he does not live in their country nor have there any dwelling. I do not think Hobbits practised any form of worship or prayer (unless through exceptional contact with Elves). The Númenóreans (and others of that branch of Humanity, that fought against Morgoth, even if they elected to remain in Middle-earth and did not go to Númenor: such as the Rohirrim) were pure monotheists. But there was no temple in Númenor (until Sauron introduced the cult of Morgoth).

Letter 142
The Lord of the Rings is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work; unconsciously so at first, but consciously in the revision. That is why I have not put in, or have cut out, practically all references to anything like 'religion’, to cults or practices, in the imaginary world. For the religious element is absorbed into the story and the symbolism.

Letter 131
Of course there was and is all the Arthurian world, but powerful as it is, it is imperfectly naturalized, associated with the soil of Britain but not with English; and does not replace what I felt to be missing. For one thing its 'faerie’ is too lavish, and fantastical, incoherent and repetitive. For another and more important thing: it is involved in, and explicitly contains the Christian religion.

For reasons which I will not elaborate, that seems to me fatal. Myth and fairy-story must, as all art, reflect and contain in solution elements of moral and religious truth (or error), but not explicit, not in the known form of the primary 'real’ world. (I am speaking, of course, of our present situation, not of ancient pagan, pre-Christian days. And I will not repeat what I tried to say in my essay, which you read.)

That said, if you want to add some form of religion to your own personal Middle-earth, you are totally free to do so. As there is essentially nothing in canon to contradict, you're free to invent it from whole cloth.
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Re: Religion

Sun 24 Apr 2022, 17:42

Wonderful and illuminating citations. Thank you.
 
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Re: Religion

Wed 27 Apr 2022, 23:11

Thank you HunterGreen :)
 
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Re: Religion

Mon 02 May 2022, 03:13

There's very little official material on it beyond some of the Elves revering the Valar as divine and other folk worshiping Melkor and/or Sauron. Middle-earth Roleplaying, an 80s RPG, has some expansions on it, mostly for Easterlings and Southrons.
 
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Re: Religion

Tue 28 Feb 2023, 22:27

While there are no churches or organized religions in Middle Earth as we know them, there are certainly spiritual leaders and practices. For example, the wizards, like Gandalf, are seen as wise and powerful figures who guide others in their spiritual journeys. There are also various rituals and ceremonies, such as the Dwarven feast of Muster, that are held to honor and connect with the divine.
Thanks for bringing up this interesting topic! And if you're interested in real-life churches, check out the amazing photos on firstchurchlove.com. It's fascinating to think about how religion and spirituality are portrayed in works of fiction like Middle Earth, and how they can reflect our own beliefs and values.
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Re: Religion

Wed 01 Mar 2023, 09:16

Without a doubt, the lack of religious trappings - such as churches, priests, rituals - is one of the most positive aspects of the story for me. The limited (restricted?) vision of Middle-earth using merely the texts of Hobbit and LOTR has no need for this perennial aspect of our own world.

The appearance of Morgoth or Sauron Cults portrays those people abandoning their free will and complying with organised, dictatorial, unthinking patterns of behaviour and subservience. I don't know if Tolkien's intent was to do this or not; but my simplistic view of the lives of the Free Peoples would mean that their cultures would be corrupted by having any sort of so called Religion.

It is enough for free thinking folk to agree what is good behaviour by reasoning through the effects of one's actions; and self-sensoring any behaviour where e.g. the strong exploit the weak,

"Gondor has no religion. Gondor needs no religion."
 
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Re: Religion

Wed 01 Mar 2023, 10:14

The Numenoreans did have a place of worship on the summit of Meneltarma to Illuvatar (God). After Sauron deceived them they stopped using it and instead built a temple to Morgoth (Satan), where they sacrificed people.
 
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Re: Religion

Wed 01 Mar 2023, 20:59

Without a doubt, the lack of religious trappings - such as churches, priests, rituals - is one of the most positive aspects of the story for me. The limited (restricted?) vision of Middle-earth using merely the texts of Hobbit and LOTR has no need for this perennial aspect of our own world.

The appearance of Morgoth or Sauron Cults portrays those people abandoning their free will and complying with organised, dictatorial, unthinking patterns of behaviour and subservience. I don't know if Tolkien's intent was to do this or not; but my simplistic view of the lives of the Free Peoples would mean that their cultures would be corrupted by having any sort of so called Religion.

It is enough for free thinking folk to agree what is good behaviour by reasoning through the effects of one's actions; and self-sensoring any behaviour where e.g. the strong exploit the weak,

"Gondor has no religion. Gondor needs no religion."
I really doubt that was Tolkien's intention. He seemed to think that religion in fantasy stories resembling real religion detracted from the story and wasn't interesting. I disagree with that myself, but it doesn't sound like he was making some kind of antireligious commentary by not including fictional religions in ME.

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