Angelus1753
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Beta Feedback - Referee's Manual - Order Of Battle

Fri 23 Apr 2021, 14:56

Perhaps we can bundle the OOB discussion here? Haven't seen that much but I have some thoughts on the Dutch/Germans.
Let me kick this of by commenting on the reference to the (non-existent) Dutch I. Corps
 
Angelus1753
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Re: Beta Feedback - Referee's Manual - Order Of Battle

Fri 23 Apr 2021, 14:57

I've been looking into the Dutch divisions being used in the push to Warsaw. Wat triggered me was the use of a separate Dutch Corps. We don't have one...
The Dutch troops would be commanded by the I. German/Dutch Corps (I. DE/NL Corps).
BUT...
Considering that the IV. Corps was stationed in East Germany they would be in the frontline first. The I. Corps being a quick reaction force would most likely be spent elsewhere (in Sweden for instance), or spent at the front early in the hostilities.
To be fair, after the collapse of C&C it would be hard for me to see why any German soldiers would stick around. Perhaps they are more susceptible to orders from above and they would be there?
I can assure you that the Dutch, who would have only light or mechanised brigades, would pull back to the 'polder' at the first reasonable opportunity. No reason for them to stay since they could practically walk home. Which they most assuredly did.


So to give more details on the German army:

I. German/Dutch Corps, Munster
Our timeline: Proposed in 1991 to create a combined Headquarters. In 1997 it was formalized that the 1 Corp was to share a joint command structure and later became a High Readiness Force Headquarters capable of rapid deployment as part of a NATO Combined Joint Task Force. it is capable of commanding 50.000 troops.

T2k timeline: Proposed in 1991 to create a combined Headquarters. Due to increasing tensions the Corps was formalized in 1995 and in 1996 was certified to act as a High Readiness Force Headquarters capable of rapid deployment as part of a NATO Combined Joint Task Force. Its divisions were the 1st and 7th German Panzer Division and the Netherlands 11 Air Manoeuvre Brigade (AMB). Under this headquarters the troops would be deployed in Poland (Germany would likely field another HQ for the other divisions)

II. (German/American) Corps, Ulm
1st US Armored Division (exchanged the V. US Corps in time of war with the 5th Panzer)
1st Mountain Division at Munich
10th Panzer Division, which was allocated to Eurocorps and which parents the German half of the Franco-German Brigade.

IV Corps, Potsdam
13th Panzergrenadier Division (mechanized, former DDR)
14th Panzergrenadier Division (mechanized, former DDR)
The German contribution to the Multinational Corps Northeast in time of war.

In 1996, the 25th Airborne Brigade was converted into a new command leading the Army's special forces, known as the Kommando Spezialkräfte. This would have been done earlier in the T2k timeline (I guess in 1995), so they would not be on the OOB.

Dutch 11th AMB
The Dutch 11 Air Assault Brigade (known as the Red berets) is the pride of the Dutch army and would certainly be part of any hostilities. It's soldiers are put through harsh training and often come from tough backgrounds. When operating in concert with Defence Helicopter Command, 11 Air Assault Brigade and Defence Helicopter Command together are called 11 Air Manoeuvre Brigade (11 AMB). It has it's roots in the 1st Division (7 December) and is a highly mobile brigade can be deployed anywhere in the world within 20 days, and smaller units even within 7 days.

Dutch Army:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structure ... lands_Army
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I._German/Dutch_Corps
German Army:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Army#Post_Cold_War
https://de.zxc.wiki/wiki/II._Korps_(Bun ... 80%932000)
https://de.zxc.wiki/wiki/IV._Korps_(Bun ... mmando_Ost

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