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Just a quick question about water rations.

I know Dragonbane includes rules for food. Is there anything similar for water?

Or, does the food also include water?

Raven

I think the rules assume, that water is easily available. There's no desert or ocean in the Misty Vale, after all.
As the consumption of 1 Ration daily is required, I would simply take that as Food & Water.

I'm inclined to agree. Rules seems to imply that you don't need to drink water on a daily baisis, so could assume that you drink from some nearby source of freash water when eating your ration.

But it would'nt be hard to impliment a water rule. There are containers for liquids like waterskins and barrels. So could just make a version of FAMISHED that requires one unit of liquid of water to avoid

But it would'nt be hard to impliment a water rule.

The thing is, from a realism point of view, the Hunger-rule is already more of a Thirst-rule. Physical harm doesn't happen from going just 1 day without food - while going 1 day without water may certainly do so, depending on the environment.

But it would'nt be hard to impliment a water rule.

The thing is, from a realism point of view, the Hunger-rule is already more of a Thirst-rule. Physical harm doesn't happen from going just 1 day without food - while going 1 day without water may certainly do so, depending on the environment.

Sure, but a lot of the rules are generally streamlined abstracts rather than simulated realisem. You don't recover borderline lethal, bodyily harm by taking a roughly 15 minuet break for instance.

Edit: plus, if you wanna making the loss of water worse than the loss of food, simply make the requirement stricter (1 unit of water per shift), or the punishment harsher ( +1d when loosing hp & wp)

What I meant was, that there's no need for a seperate rule, as RAW simulates already more a need of water than food.

Fair enough.

I personally still lean towards dehydration should be a stricter version of famished though, than just using RAW but for thirst . Kinda you don't bump into it as often (like need to be somewhere where freash water is scarce or none existant), but when you do you need to fufill it or be harshly punished(to sell the idea dehydration is scary and can kill you quickly, while famish is slower.

Thank you all for your advice

I may just use something similar to that of having a quiver etc in that as long as the PC has a waterskin, they don't need to mark off water rations - as you said, the Misty Vales seems to have a lot of free flowing water available. I was going to consider making the waterskin have 2 encumbrance though....

I think 2 in item weight that every player have to carry is a bit harsh. You wanna have room to carry around the rest of your equipment for the rest of the journey and have room for loot. It's comparable to a 2 man tent. So depending on what your STR is, you might not have a lot of room to carry essentials.

If the players would share the same waterskin, i think it would make more sense for them to invest in a barrel that either a player, or more likely have a beast of burden carry it for them.

As said, a weight of 2 is a significant outlier. Even a 4 quart waterskin should not be significantly more difficult to carry than a down sleeping bag sleeping fur. Subsuming water into ratios is a far more reasonable approach unless your game takes place in a water-poor area where tracking water separate from rations is important. For example, T2k has a "small" problem with contaminated water and so tracks food and water separately.