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Save Bystanders: I think it should be a Quick Action instead of a Slugfest Stunt. It feels odd that I can only save bystanders if I have an opponent to punch, otherwise I can't...

Also, making it a Quick Action would force a hero to choose between saving civilians and blocking an attack, or between saving them and attacking. In either case, it's exactly the kind of tough choices that superheroes make.

Save Bystanders: I think it should be a Quick Action instead of a Slugfest Stunt. It feels odd that I can only save bystanders if I have an opponent to punch, otherwise I can't...

Also, making it a Quick Action would force a hero to choose between saving civilians and blocking an attack, or between saving them and attacking. In either case, it's exactly the kind of tough choices that superheroes make.

Option for Quick action save bystander (move them out of harm's way), sure. But for my two cents, keep having extra stunt for save bystander gives the choice you are mentioning, 3 successes do you save a few bystanders or epic punch the bad guy. Maybe you need the extra successes to save as many people as quickly as possible from falling debris etc.

My main one is to reserve 1-5 dice for Humans, and keep 6-XX for superhuman. I know that messes up with Strength but it maintains more than it breaks. (OK, maybe 1-6...)
1 = Frail.
Struggles with body weight. (Feeble)
2 = Below Average.
Normal but weak adult. (Poor)
3 = Average.
Everyday human baseline.(Typical)
4 = Trained / Strong.
Fit soldier (Good)
5 = Olympic-level Powerlifter.
Peak human condition. (Excellent)
6 = Lift a Car with Effort.
 (Remarkable)
7 = Rip a Steel Door, Throw a Motorbike.
 (incredible)
8 = Flip a Tank, Collapse a Wall. (Amazing)
9 = Reconfigure Landscapes.
Breaks bridges.... (Monstrous)
10+ = now you're in the realm of HyperStrength, an actual Strength power.

• Movement speeds also listed in Miles Per Hour

• A full table of Benchmarks

• Defining levels of Skills with names like 'Skilled', 'Expert', 'Mastery' etc. or a least saying 'Knowledgable +3 is 'Mastery' or relevant term in its description.

The way Health is calculated has implications that I personally find quite counterintuitive.

In the Quickstart, it is calculated as Strength + Agility + Fighting divided by 2. This feels appropriate when it comes to combat, much less so when the character suffers damage from other hazards: explosions, falls, toxic substances, etc. I mean, how should Fighting make my character more resilient to a fall, or Agility to poisoning?

I find it equally weird that a character with Strength 8, Agility 2, and Fighting 2 has the exact same Health as one with Strength 2, Agility 2, and Fighting 8. I would expect the first, hulk-like character to survive an explosion or a fall from a tall building, while the second - a simple human martial artist - to simply splat on the ground. I just doesn't feel right that they are equally resilient.

I think that Health should be simply calculated as 3 + Strength. With this formula, Invincible, Atom Eve, Robot and Bulletproof would have the exact same amount of Health as now, Monster Girl would have just 1 more Health, and Rex Splode would be - rightfully - squishier (7 Health instead of 9). This would also ensure that even a puny character with Strength 1, Agility 1, and Fighting 1 would be fairly playable, as they would start with 4 Health instead of only 2.

A character's combat ability, reaction and brawn should all affect how they take damage.

My question is, why should a superhero with Strength 2, Agility 2, and Fighting 8 (Astounding) not survive a Blast 12 explosion or a fall from a tall building?

Suggestion:
Armor seems to be eternal in this quick start but I think if armor from gear takes damage it should erode. Either point for point taken or have some sort of Durability rating. The Quickstart doesn’t seem to have any gear providing armor so perhaps this is given greater detail in the core rulebook but I thought I should call it out in case it isn’t planned.

With respect, I would be cautious about moving over to this scale.
You are asking for more granularity for street-level human characters -the kind that are not really present in the Invincible universe. While this approach is OK for a generic system, Daredevil, Batman, and other street-level heroes are not a thing in Invincible AFAIK. I can see your rationale but the game is not Marvel FASERIP and we shouldn't try to alter it greatly to simply make converting FASERIP characters easier. We need to know what the full beta rules are.

Not sure how I feel about karma points... I like the concept but not sure about the name. Karma wasn't really a thing in the comics or show. YES the characters had consequences for their actions and how people saw them, BUT they didn't just chalk it up to karma that I recall. (Admittedly it's been a while since I read the comics.)

It just feels off theme. Maybe a renaming of it that feels more immersove to the invincible univers?