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Path of Lies/Words vs. Incorruptible

Sat 11 Jan 2025, 12:53

Path of Lies/Words states that the character can roll and then decide to spend a WP to succeed, but do they know why the initial roll failed?

I'm asking because if the target has Incorruptible, the initial Manipulation roll fails automatically, after which a character with Path of Lies/Words would normally spend a WP, only to have it continue to fail. Or, would the first failure reveal that the target is immune to Manipulation?
 
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Re: Path of Lies/Words vs. Incorruptible

Sat 11 Jan 2025, 17:15

There are no hidden dice rolls in this game. So when the target of a manipulation rolls for Insight he can use his Incorruptible to boost this dice roll. This is an open dice roll and if he has rank 3 he just declares that he has that and the manipulation automatically fails without dice rolls. All this is done in the open. If you want some narrative for it, then the manipulator feels that he has met someone that clearly will be difficult to sway or even stubbornly impossible to sway.
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Re: Path of Lies/Words vs. Incorruptible

Sat 11 Jan 2025, 18:13

Yes, as Fenhorn said. Also, from a PC perspective: making multiple NPCs incorruptible to prevent manipulation can already start to feel unfair to them. If a player on top of this wants to use WP before they know this... then I, as a GM, would simply refund that and inform that player that the NPC is Incorruptible. This will make that PC feel less like you are deliberately targeting them, and are on their side.
 
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Re: Path of Lies/Words vs. Incorruptible

Sun 12 Jan 2025, 12:10

I was thinking they'd know, so that works.

And my players shouldn't feel targeted as I'm pretty open about NPCs and what abilities they typically have. In a world filled with Peddlers who can and would learn Path of Lies/Words, Incorruptible would be a popular ability to avoid getting screwed over during "negotiations".

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