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Yeah. Not happy with this.

I've been thinking about this new rulebook and new starter set and "Hope's Last Day" and I believe I would have preferred a new scenario to make "upgrading" more worthwhile.

I'm suspecting (don't actually know) that the new rulebook won't have a scenario in it - so that's buying a full price rulebook again just for whatever new stuff is in there to keep the game current. And if I just wanted to get the starter set for the changes, I'm paying AGAIN for a scenario that I already have (even if it is allegedly extended).

Wizards pulled a fast one like this with Shattered Obelisk - the bulk of that book was Lost Mine Of Phandelver, which most people had already (and many had it for free!) but it was a full price book to get an "extended" version, which basically was some stuff bolted on that didn't fit well with the original (in my opinion).

It just all feels a bit cynical. And I'm not sure "Romulus is releasing" is an entirely valid reason to do this now, cos Romulus is out next week (in the UK anyway) and this Kickstarter doesn't have a date yet....

Again, just musing, I want to support the line, and as I said before, I'll probably back the Kickstarter, I really like the game, and I know, I know "You don't have to buy it..etc...", but it just all feels a bit, dunno....off...

I might be happier when I see more info about the cost and content to weigh up the value.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen so much irrational, preemptive negativity about a new RPG product.

Tomas says he has enough new material to warrant a new book AND there is full up and down compatibility with 1E. Sounds great to me. Once the Kickstarter is live and the details are released, you decide you don’t need it, then greet, you can forego it. But to be “unhappy” about this new release is so ludicrous as to be embarrassing.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen so much irrational, preemptive negativity about a new RPG product.

Tomas says he has enough new material to warrant a new book AND there is full up and down compatibility with 1E. Sounds great to me. Once the Kickstarter is live and the details are released, you decide you don’t need it, then greet, you can forego it. But to be “unhappy” about this new release is so ludicrous as to be embarrassing.

Hear! Hear!

This wallowing in doom-&-gloom and assuming the worst at any turn is more than a little unbecoming of this game and the community. Free League has made good decisions in the past and shown nothing but respect for the fans. They are not WotC.

An updated rulebook sounds great to me -- mine is getting worn out anyway -- and if you don't want one, well then don't buy it.

An expanded version of Hope's Last Day? Yes please! I will certainly be picking up the starter box for that, but if you don't want it then you don't need to buy it.

The Rapture Protocol cinematic definitely sounds promising, and it will foreshadow the upcoming Space Trucker book like DoW did the CMOM and HoD did BBW. Again, if you don't want it, then let it be.

Rules for minis? Well, that is at least interesting, and while I doubt that I will use it much, I for one am eager to check it out. Again, if you are not interested in it, then you can always refrain from buying the rulebook.

I founds an Gencon24 Interview that have some information about 2nd edition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXviZRYgpBI

Signing Corporal Hicks for the next RAPTURE PROTOCOL scenario is great news (hihi!), honestly Bravo it seems very interesting. An EXPANDED HOPE'S LAST DAY version, it's very very intriguing. We'll "finally" have maybe the 3 scenarios together (Hope's Last Day + Hope's Last Stand + Hope's Last Hand).

There are interesting elements in all this.

Arthur.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen so much irrational, preemptive negativity about a new RPG product.

Tomas says he has enough new material to warrant a new book AND there is full up and down compatibility with 1E. Sounds great to me. Once the Kickstarter is live and the details are released, you decide you don’t need it, then greet, you can forego it. But to be “unhappy” about this new release is so ludicrous as to be embarrassing.

The negativity has been mostly very respectful so I dont know what your on about, you should rather applaud how well it has been put forward considering the social climate of today instead of trying to belittle and invalidate the opinion just because you dont agree.

Kind of silly and minor in the grand scheme of thing, but I do hope they will fix their Origae–6 / Sector 87 goof, they are 2 distinct place quite far of each other.

But overall, I'm looking forward to it as well as a Space Truck and a Corporate Sourcebook

Not sure anyone is "walllowing in doom and gloom" or being "so ludicrous as to be embarrassing" (nice first post by the way, welcome to the Forums...), just people invested in the game expressing concerns and opinions over where the game line is going (respectfully as Attackmack noted), and I think its a bit unfair to just shut people down with "well don't buy it then", cos if we all just resorted to "well don't play it then" type responses, we'd be a bit short on discussion....

The post presentation interview that Rafner (thanks) linked to above actually provided some early answers (which is all anyone was asking for). The main take-aways I got from that were:

1. Kickstarter will be around October (so not really a Romulus thing then for those that wondered...)
2. Not taking anything major out or making big changes. but adding stuff they felt was missing (Discussion we all had recently about firing into combat shows there IS stuff missing....)
3. More support for Miniatures and Maps (but you can play without them) with an eye towards VTTs (won't discuss THAT one in this environment... )
4. Minis stuff won't turn this into a board game (which was one of my concerns to be fair). Guess people playing Marines campaigns will welcome the tactical options this brings, but its odd the first releases are for the Space Truckers stuff in Rapture Protocol. Will be interesting to see what they have in mind...
5. Stress mechanic isn't majorly changing but they're looking at balancing the Panic Table somewhat
6. They're looking at adding solo rules (these can be a mixed bag, but the Walking Dead ones are REALLY good, and the stuff they did for Moria is decent too...)

Almost sounded like they thought Chariot of The Gods wasn't very beginner friendly, hence using Hope's Last Day (still feeling grumpy about re-buying it though), which I guess is fair, cos its great for people familiar with "Aliens" or if you've read River Of Pain.

Haven't seen any mention of Origae–6 / Sector 87, Boneguard, but its a clean up, so stay hopeful....

Tomas just posted this in the FB group, to inform and clear up some things.

Hey, Tomas here, lead designer and project manager of the ALIEN RPG - the existing edition as well as the upcoming new one. I'd like to chime in on the discussion about the new edition of the game and clarify a few things if I may.
First off - the new edition rules will be compatible with all existing game material, and it will be possible to play the new edition supplements using the first edition rules. We have stated this many times in the last couple of days, but I thought I'd just make that clear again. In addition, we will release a free PDF summarizing all rules changes.
The upcoming Kickstarter will not just be for the new rules edition. It will also be for an updated Starter Set and the new boxed Cinematic set Rapture Protocol and a miniatures set, which is designed for use with Rapture Protocol but also usable for other adventures. The Kickstarter will be completely a la carte - you can get only Rapture Protocol and/or the miniatures if you like, and there will be a variety of bundles for all tastes.
So why are we revising the rules now? This decision grew out of the design of Rapture Protocol, which is written by me and Jonathan Hicks (creator of the Those Dark Places and Pressure RPGs). With Rapture Protocol, we're starting a new story arc (after the Draconis Saga) and we wanted to go back to basics and refine the core game experience. This led to revisions and updates of Stealth Mode. During our work with Rapture Protocol, we also started toying around with miniatures, and felt we wanted to add better support for those. We have also received plenty of great community feedback on the game in the last 5 years, and we have learned a thing or two ourselves during the work with Rapture Protocol and other RPGs, prompting us to want to make some modifications of the rules here and there (such as cascading panic and ammo consumption). Finally, we wanted to add better campaign mode support and a solo mode for the game.
Taken all together, we felt we had reached a point where it was time for a new edition of the core rules.
Some in the community have asked why previous setting writers are not involved in the new edition. The answer is simply that we're not changing the setting - it remains the same.
Others have expressed that we should have called this a version 1.5 or even 1.1, as the core of the game remains the same and the versions will be compatible. This is fair, we could have done that I guess. But I don't think the exact numbering of the new edition really matters much - what matters is what the new edition will actually be. And I hope I have shed some light on that here.
More info will come in the weeks and months ahead.