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But thought to include here as well.


Anyone thought of a general rule of the "value" of a human life in T2k? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_of_life

I was thinking that it could then be tied into towns, vehicles, supply convoys etc. for logistical value.

Like, take the motorcycle cost is 3,000, dirt bike 2,000 and 2wd car 4000. Arguably all 3 are typically one owner/rider.

So let's say human life is worth 3000 (labor/assistance/security etc.). It then makes sense that a 3k person would own/guard 3k worth of gear/vehicle.

BGM 71 tow (cost 10k) 3people.
M1114 HMMWV (cost 20K) would be 6-7people. Granted, that driver and crew space is 5.
M2 Bradley (250k) would be 83 people worth ("owning"/guarding/grouped with).
M1A1 (1,000,000) would be 333 people ("owning"/guarding/grouped with).

Say a supply convoy of three M35 2.5 ton trucks (60k) has full cargo 1200 units worth of food (at 1/4, this would be 4800 rations (x 20 per MRE ration = 96k). so the trucks and food would be worth 156k....should be guarded equivalent by 52 people (52 x 3k).

If we did Soldier life value as 10k, as counter to normal civilian 3k, then you get:
1 soldier for the BGM 71 tow
2 soldiers for the M1114 HMMWV
25 soldiers for the M2 Bradley
100 soldiers for the M1A1
16 soldiers for the supply convoy.

originally posted to reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/Twilight2000/c ... artillery/
Thought to include in this logistics thread.


Economics and Logistics of Artillery
Watching this video about supply issues of artillery shells caused me to think about the issue in the twilight 2000 environment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDoiqH66DLM



Who is still able to make the shells, let alone transport/ship them? What factories able to do so would still be there or repaired?



Price of a single 60mm HE mortar round is $50 according to 4E's table on page 114 (player's manual). A single 140mm+ HE shell is 500.



This seems a bit off. A frag grenade is $30, antitank grenade $50, so a 60mm mortar round is same? hmm. I get some of the costs in the book reflect "barter/utility" value, but mortar and specifically the large arty rounds are not as easy as stamping gun frames (let alone numbers produced and they are not one use items). Polish AKM is $300, so I can get six 60mm mortar rounds for that single gun.



" the price for one 155mm shell had risen from 2,000 euros ($2,171) at the start of Russia's full-scale invasion to 8,000 euros ($8,489.60). For comparison, the U.S. currently pays $3,000 for its most modern shells " https://www.defenseone.com/business/202 ... okesperson.



So if $2000 a shell now, that is roughly $1100 back in 2000, but then that is not the war economy...nor scarcity (as seen by prices today going from 2100 to 8500). https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflat ... mount=1100 [4600 in 2000 dollars would be 8459 equivalent today]



60mm Mortar Ammunition And Fuzes
https://www.inetres.com/gp/military/inf ... /60mm.html

Has the M768 HE 60mm round " Unit cost: $353 (Fiscal Year 2005). " and that is without the several years of war economic rise...scarcity value increase.



Mortars vs Artillery (2015)

https://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=4832