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Re: The Lord of the Rings (5E) Early Access Feedback

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Hello! This is being looked into now and should be sorted out soon.
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Tue 07 Feb 2023, 19:20

I'm curious to know; will there be pages explaining distinctive features? I noticed that backgrounds have distinctive features, but no sections in the book explaining them. While I have The One Ring core rulebook, it seems silly to have to reference it for the 5e conversion.
As a side note, do distinctive features have mechanical uses for the game like in The One Ring or are they more personality guidelines?
 
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Tue 14 Feb 2023, 11:14

Hi all,

We are playtesting the material 1-2 times per month in our LOTR campaign. We adopt the newest changes whenever we can. "Minor edits have been made for the final print version." is a very general statement. Can you please provide a change log what you change per version, so we do not have to find the changes from one version to the other ourselves?

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Thu 09 Mar 2023, 08:04

BARUK KHAZÂD! p. 83
♦ You can use a bonus action on your turn to force each hostile creature that can hear and see you within 30 feet of you to make a Charisma (Intimidation) check (DC 8 + your proficiency bonus + your choice of your Strength or Charisma modifier).


An Intimidation test? It has to be a Charisma Saving Throw, right? You use Intimidation to bully someone and not to resist the effect of fear.

And to the new skills:

Personally I don’t like Riddle as it is now. Please combine Riddle and Investigation. That would make sense to me.
And three skills for Survival? Perhaps as someone suggested it, you could make two out of them and summarise Explore and Travel.
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ELVISH SPIRIT p. 86
♦ If you meditate for at least 4 hours, you can reduce your exhaustion level by 1 and regain all lost hit points. You cannot use this virtue if you’ve had a long rest within the last 24 hours, or if you have 0 hit points. Once you use this virtue, you cannot use it again until you finish a long rest.


Ok… When can you meaningfully use this virtue? The elven characters will meditate with their fellow adventurers when they take a long rest. And most of the time every 16 to 18 hours the company will take a long rest. Therefore I don’t see any sense in this virtue except in some special cases when the company don’t have the chance to take a long rest.
And as I understand it the elf with this virtue can travel and use this virtue.
Or does that explicitly means that it is mostly useful on journeys where you normally can’t use long rests?
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What are Distinctive Features for in the game? I have no clue… Are they a way to help players to play in character? Distinctive Features have absolutely no mechanical effect and are therefore not much important. If I recall it correctly Distinctive Features were important in TOR and had an effect in the game. But I found no value in them.
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Fri 10 Mar 2023, 06:50

What are Distinctive Features for in the game? I have no clue… Are they a way to help players to play in character? Distinctive Features have absolutely no mechanical effect and are therefore not much important. If I recall it correctly Distinctive Features were important in TOR and had an effect in the game. But I found no value in them.
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Yes, if I remember correctly, in TOR 1E Distinctive Features (and Specialities) might grant a free success on an applicable Skill roll.
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What are Distinctive Features for in the game? I have no clue… Are they a way to help players to play in character? Distinctive Features have absolutely no mechanical effect and are therefore not much important. If I recall it correctly Distinctive Features were important in TOR and had an effect in the game. But I found no value in them.
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Yes, if I remember correctly, in TOR 1E Distinctive Features (and Specialities) might grant a free success on an applicable Skill roll.
Yes, and in TOR 2e too:
Additionally, players can invoke a Distinctive Feature to improve their chances to succeed at a roll using a Skill. When this happens, the Player­hero is consid­ered to be Inspired.
Therefore I assume that a Player-hero who uses his Distinctive Feature should get also a Bonus in LotR 5e. Perhaps he becomes inspired or can roll with advantage but can use his Distinctive feature only after a short or long rest again. I really hope that FL will address that before printing.
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Fri 10 Mar 2023, 13:52

What are Distinctive Features for in the game? I have no clue… Are they a way to help players to play in character? Distinctive Features have absolutely no mechanical effect and are therefore not much important. If I recall it correctly Distinctive Features were important in TOR and had an effect in the game. But I found no value in them.

Page 27, Inspiration in Middle-earth:
In The Lord of the Rings Roleplaying, the Loremaster may grant inspiration to the players for the usual reasons — for example to reward them for playing their characters in a compelling way. In particular, this may happen when they play them according to the distinctive features provided by their chosen background. (emphasis added)

ELVISH SPIRIT p. 86
♦ If you meditate for at least 4 hours, you can reduce your exhaustion level by 1 and regain all lost hit points. You cannot use this virtue if you’ve had a long rest within the last 24 hours, or if you have 0 hit points. Once you use this virtue, you cannot use it again until you finish a long rest.

Ok… When can you meaningfully use this virtue? The elven characters will meditate with their fellow adventurers when they take a long rest. And most of the time every 16 to 18 hours the company will take a long rest. Therefore I don’t see any sense in this virtue except in some special cases when the company don’t have the chance to take a long rest.
And as I understand it the elf with this virtue can travel and use this virtue.
Or does that explicitly means that it is mostly useful on journeys where you normally can’t use long rests?

To better understand the benefit of Elvish Spirit, you need to fully understand the rule of Resting on page 22: "Player-heroes can benefit from long rests exclusively in sheltered and safe refuges (i.e. not ‘on the road’). The safe havens of the Company (see page 18) certainly count as sheltered refuges, as well as any city or settlement where the Company is welcomed on friendly terms. At the Loremaster’s discretion, a deserted but well-sheltered place in the wilds could also be suitable for a long rest."

By default, Player-heroes cannot take long rests just anywhere. But an Elf with Elvish Spirit can, even though they can do so only once between every "true" long rest.

BARUK KHAZÂD! p. 83
♦ You can use a bonus action on your turn to force each hostile creature that can hear and see you within 30 feet of you to make a Charisma (Intimidation) check (DC 8 + your proficiency bonus + your choice of your Strength or Charisma modifier).

An Intimidation test? It has to be a Charisma Saving Throw, right? You use Intimidation to bully someone and not to resist the effect of fear.

So this is indeed how it is supposed to work, and it was a very specific design choice to create an asymmetry between Player-heroes and monsters.

Player-heroes resist Dread with Charisma saving throws, because Dread is not just "fear", it's also the anguish that comes with it (that is why Dread may or may not make you frightened, but it always gives you Shadow points). Therefore scary places, terrible events, or particularly terrifying monsters all call for a Charisma saving throw.

The vast majority of adversaries don't "resist Dread", as most of them have long since fallen to the power of the Shadow: they simply resist being intimidated by the Player-heroes (or other beings). In fact, there are only three effects available to Player-heroes that can make monsters frightened: one is Baruk Khazad!, another is Speech-craft, and the last one is exploiting the Fear of Fire of certain adversaries. All of these effects call for a Charisma (Intimidation) check, sometimes contested (as for Speech-craft), because it represents the Player-heroes imposing their strength of personality over the monster's, rather than causing them despair.
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Re: The Lord of the Rings (5E) Early Access Feedback

Sat 11 Mar 2023, 00:34

Thanks Michele! :)

Distinctive Features:
I have read the page but couldn’t remember it. But I have to confess that this rule is not as interesting as the rule in TOR. It seems a little sad that this will be only a mechanic to get Inspiration.

Elvish Spirit:
Ok, it’s as I assumed, it’s important during a journey.

Baruk Khazad!
Hm, ok… I can understand it a little bit but I have to look into the NPCs stat. If many enemies have the Intimidation or the skill is higher than their Charisma save I don’t think I will like this rule. Then I will house rule that it will be a Charisma save.
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