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Rules Question: Dog Handler/Sic A Dog Skill

Thu 17 Mar 2022, 02:19

So I have a couple of quick questions about the Dog Handler and their specialist skill "Sic A Dog".

1. I own the Swedish first ed box from 2014, as well as the Swedish hardcover rules book from 2015 and the English 2014 Modiphius edition.

In the 2014 Swedish box, it sort of makes sense that the Key Attribute for the Dog Handler is Agility (Kyla), as you can Fight, Scout and Track someone using Agility (Kyla) + Sic a Dog.

In the 2015 Swedish hardcover rulebook and the 2014 English Rulebook, it does not seem like you use Agility (Kyla) with Sic A Dog at all? For Fight, you use Sic A Dog + the Strenght of the dog, and for Scout and Track, you use Wits (Skärpa) + Sic A Dog.

The Dog Handlers Key Attribute is still Agility (Kyla) in both books, however, and it's also the Attribute linked to "Sic A Dog", even though it seems like you never actually should roll Agility + Sic A Dog.

Would it not make more sense that the Dog Handlers Key Attribute and the Sic A Dog linked attribute was Wits (Skärpa), as most other Roles have their Specialist Skill tied to their Key Attribute?

2. Also there are some different stats given to the dog in the different editions. The 2014 Swedish box only gives Strenght (4), but this is only used when the dog takes damage. The 2015 Swedish Hardcover book gives the stats Strenght 3 and Agility 4 (while the example text gives Strenght 4), and the 2014 English edition gives the dog Strenght 4 and Agility 6. What are the latest/real stats?
Also, I can't really seem to find a base damage number for the dog, is it just Damage: 1?

I've tried looking at both the Swedish and English Errata in the forum, but I could not really find an answer to this. Maybe I just didn't look hard enough, if so please point me in the right direction.

Thanks in advance fellow mutants.
 
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Re: Rules Question: Dog Handler/Sic A Dog Skill

Thu 17 Mar 2022, 08:33

1. I own the Swedish first ed box from 2014, as well as the Swedish hardcover rules book from 2015 and the English 2014 Modiphius edition.

In the 2014 Swedish box, it sort of makes sense that the Key Attribute for the Dog Handler is Agility (Kyla), as you can Fight, Scout and Track someone using Agility (Kyla) + Sic a Dog.

In the 2015 Swedish hardcover rulebook and the 2014 English Rulebook, it does not seem like you use Agility (Kyla) with Sic A Dog at all? For Fight, you use Sic A Dog + the Strenght of the dog, and for Scout and Track, you use Wits (Skärpa) + Sic A Dog.

The Dog Handlers Key Attribute is still Agility (Kyla) in both books, however, and it's also the Attribute linked to "Sic A Dog", even though it seems like you never actually should roll Agility + Sic A Dog.

Would it not make more sense that the Dog Handlers Key Attribute and the Sic A Dog linked attribute was Wits (Skärpa), as most other Roles have their Specialist Skill tied to their Key Attribute?
You use Agility when you try to find a new dog, but you are right, it isn't used much. Tomas said here that it should be Wits, but then he have apparently forgotten about that so it have never officially changed.

2. Also there are some different stats given to the dog in the different editions. The 2014 Swedish box only gives Strenght (4), but this is only used when the dog takes damage. The 2015 Swedish Hardcover book gives the stats Strenght 3 and Agility 4 (while the example text gives Strenght 4), and the 2014 English edition gives the dog Strenght 4 and Agility 6. What are the latest/real stats?
Also, I can't really seem to find a base damage number for the dog, is it just Damage: 1?
The English books have always used 4/6. The Swedish 2014 book is 4/6 but they changed it to 3/4 in the 2015 book. I don't have any newer Swedish books than that. Clearly it is 3/4 that it is meant to be since they changed it to this. The weapon damage for your dog is 2, same as zone dogs (strykarhundar).
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Re: Rules Question: Dog Handler/Sic A Dog Skill

Thu 17 Mar 2022, 14:11

Thanks for your answers and for linking that post from Thomas. It does indeed look like he agrees that the attribute linked to "Sic A Dog" should be Wits.

I will therefore change the Sic A Dog connected attribute to Wits in my campaign, and I will also change the Key Attribute for the Dog Handler to Wits, and let my player redistribute some attribute points.

I asked the same question over at the Mutant Year Zero Reddit, and were told that the latest stats for the dog from the 2019 Swedish edition is Strength 3, Agility 4 and Damage 2.

I've been looking everywhere trying to pick up a copy of that box, but sadly it seems to be out of stock everywhere, and I don't know if Fria Ligan has any plans to reprint it?
 
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Re: Rules Question: Dog Handler/Sic A Dog Skill

Tue 29 Mar 2022, 10:00

At my table we adopted a variable attribute link depending on what the Dog Handler was trying to do. Wits is still their Key Attribute and is used when the Dog Handler attempts to Scout or track something. We use Sic A Dog + (the dog’s Strength) when using a dog to Fight. If the Dog Handler is trying to train a new dog then they use Sic A Dog + their Empathy/Instinct. We also added that a Dog Handler can control a number of dogs up to their rank in Sic A Dog at one time. As it takes their Action to give an order, they can either give the same order to all dogs or only use one dog at a time. So far this has worked well without any issues (having said that I’m now just waiting for a problem to arise).

Edit: autocorrect seems to have an issue with the words ‘can’ & ‘sic’ ?!?!?

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