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Alien covenant was pretty great

Sat 26 Sep 2020, 19:56

Alien covenant was pretty great too although they muck up the mythology and make it unnecessarily convoluted. But they fundamentally make Prometheus better by adding more character to David and Fassbender is sooo good in this film. It continues the themes presented in Prometheus of Godhood, creationism etc I also think Ridley Scott is on crack he does not need 6 more Alien movies you easily could tell this story In 3-4 movies.
 
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Re: Alien covenant was pretty great

Sun 27 Sep 2020, 02:26

Covenant is fine when taken entirely on it's own.

It just ruins everything else. Somehow in 18 years (thats right. There is only 18 years between the events of Covenant and Alien) David has to manufacture the part of their biology that results in queens, get ANOTHER Engineer ship infected, have it crash land on LV-426, and then have it sit there for so long that the pilot fossilizes into his chair with a cargo bay full of eggs.

Ridley Scott needs to walk away from the Alien franchise entirely.
 
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Re: Alien covenant was pretty great

Sun 27 Sep 2020, 13:54

Covenant is fine when taken entirely on it's own.

It just ruins everything else. Somehow in 18 years (thats right. There is only 18 years between the events of Covenant and Alien) David has to manufacture the part of their biology that results in queens, get ANOTHER Engineer ship infected, have it crash land on LV-426, and then have it sit there for so long that the pilot fossilizes into his chair with a cargo bay full of eggs.

Ridley Scott needs to walk away from the Alien franchise entirely.
Agreed
 
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Re: Alien covenant was pretty great

Sun 27 Sep 2020, 16:22

Somehow in 18 years (thats right. There is only 18 years between the events of Covenant and Alien) David has to manufacture the part of their biology that results in queens, get ANOTHER Engineer ship infected, have it crash land on LV-426, and then have it sit there for so long that the pilot fossilizes into his chair with a cargo bay full of eggs.
Another way to look at it is that David has the rest of his life to invent time travel ;)
 
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Re: Alien covenant was pretty great

Sun 27 Sep 2020, 18:52

Covenant is great until David starts expounding on the mythology from Prometheus. I would really liked the crew and it looked gorgeous.
In my campaign Prometheus and Covenant are canon only insofar as a stupid rich guy didn't realise that Archaeologists are the last people you should listen to when it comes to space* and the Covenant really did go missing.

*I should know, I am one and I never listen to myself.
 
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Re: Alien covenant was pretty great

Mon 28 Sep 2020, 08:48

Covenant is fine when taken entirely on it's own.

It just ruins everything else. Somehow in 18 years (thats right. There is only 18 years between the events of Covenant and Alien) David has to manufacture the part of their biology that results in queens, get ANOTHER Engineer ship infected, have it crash land on LV-426, and then have it sit there for so long that the pilot fossilizes into his chair with a cargo bay full of eggs.

Ridley Scott needs to walk away from the Alien franchise entirely.
If you look at what David achieved in 10 years and accept the Jockey obviously isn't fossilised (despite what a layman who flies freighters said), 18 years sounds pretty good.
 
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Re: Alien covenant was pretty great

Mon 28 Sep 2020, 15:10

Covenant is fine when taken entirely on it's own.

It just ruins everything else. Somehow in 18 years (thats right. There is only 18 years between the events of Covenant and Alien) David has to manufacture the part of their biology that results in queens, get ANOTHER Engineer ship infected, have it crash land on LV-426, and then have it sit there for so long that the pilot fossilizes into his chair with a cargo bay full of eggs.

Ridley Scott needs to walk away from the Alien franchise entirely.
If you look at what David achieved in 10 years and accept the Jockey obviously isn't fossilised (despite what a layman who flies freighters said), 18 years sounds pretty good.
No it doesn't. The Covenant was going to take 80 years to reach it's destination before it's trip was interrupted. David isn't on a Engineer ship any more. He still has to find one, create all the eggs, load it all up, and get it to crash on LV-426 with the Engineer infected. Even if David knows the location of another Engineer world because of star charts or some shit, his ship is still WAY to slow to get anything done in time.

On top of that, the Pilots suit WAS fused to the chair. You can just see that.
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On top of that, the pilot isn't just a big white dude in a suit. It's an actual different organic being. You can see THAT too when watching Alien. Look at the above picture. That guy is atLEAST twice the size of the Engineers we have seen in Prometheus and Covenant.
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See bellow, it has teeth in that skull.
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On top of THAT, Weyland Yutani KNEW the derelict ship was there when they had Ripley and crew detour to the distress signal. We know that they know because they were sent there on company orders to get that thing and bring it back. It wasn't just a random distress signal. Which means we have LESS than 18 years for the ship to be in place so that WY can find it, have back and forth communication about it, choose the Nostromo as their vessel, and send them on their way in their VERY slow Towing vehicle.

18 years is not nearly enough time. 40 years isn't enough time.
 
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Re: Alien covenant was pretty great

Tue 29 Sep 2020, 11:09

Both Prometheus and Covenant had good ideas, but the final product was lacking and a bit of all over the place. The main issue, for me, was linking them to the Alien universe. They messed everything up, had too many retcons and the timeline doesn't make sense. If they had gone with a new sci-fi franchise, completely removed from Alien, about the origin of humankind, playing God, etc. it could have been great, Scott always delivers visually and there's a lot of interesting ideas...but as part of the Alien universe they're pretty weak.
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Re: Alien covenant was pretty great

Tue 29 Sep 2020, 14:02

Covenant is fine when taken entirely on it's own.

It just ruins everything else. Somehow in 18 years (thats right. There is only 18 years between the events of Covenant and Alien) David has to manufacture the part of their biology that results in queens, get ANOTHER Engineer ship infected, have it crash land on LV-426, and then have it sit there for so long that the pilot fossilizes into his chair with a cargo bay full of eggs.

Ridley Scott needs to walk away from the Alien franchise entirely.
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Re: Alien covenant was pretty great

Thu 01 Oct 2020, 01:19

Covenant is fine when taken entirely on it's own.

It just ruins everything else. Somehow in 18 years (thats right. There is only 18 years between the events of Covenant and Alien) David has to manufacture the part of their biology that results in queens, get ANOTHER Engineer ship infected, have it crash land on LV-426, and then have it sit there for so long that the pilot fossilizes into his chair with a cargo bay full of eggs.

Ridley Scott needs to walk away from the Alien franchise entirely.
If you look at what David achieved in 10 years and accept the Jockey obviously isn't fossilised (despite what a layman who flies freighters said), 18 years sounds pretty good.
No it doesn't. The Covenant was going to take 80 years to reach it's destination before it's trip was interrupted. David isn't on a Engineer ship any more. He still has to find one, create all the eggs, load it all up, and get it to crash on LV-426 with the Engineer infected. Even if David knows the location of another Engineer world because of star charts or some shit, his ship is still WAY to slow to get anything done in time.

On top of that, the Pilots suit WAS fused to the chair. You can just see that.
Image
On top of that, the pilot isn't just a big white dude in a suit. It's an actual different organic being. You can see THAT too when watching Alien. Look at the above picture. That guy is atLEAST twice the size of the Engineers we have seen in Prometheus and Covenant.
Image
See bellow, it has teeth in that skull.
Image

On top of THAT, Weyland Yutani KNEW the derelict ship was there when they had Ripley and crew detour to the distress signal. We know that they know because they were sent there on company orders to get that thing and bring it back. It wasn't just a random distress signal. Which means we have LESS than 18 years for the ship to be in place so that WY can find it, have back and forth communication about it, choose the Nostromo as their vessel, and send them on their way in their VERY slow Towing vehicle.

18 years is not nearly enough time. 40 years isn't enough time.
There's an awful lot of assumption here, most of which isn't supported by solid evidence (Engineer size aside).

However travel time from LV-426 to Earth in 2122 is 10 months. Travel time from Planet 4 to Origae is 7 years 4 months (or thereabouts). David has the means to go wherever he wants and back again before Alien takes place. The Advent short indicates his transmission was coming from very near LV-426 - for what it's worth.

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