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How many xenos on LV-426?

Mon 22 Jul 2019, 17:13

So here's my doubts. Hadley's Hope had 158 colonist I assume including kids. That should mean, more or less 158 Xenos roaming around when the Marines showed up I guess? We factor in some casualty from the colonist defenses, maybe 155 or even 150. Situation is still pretty bad...
If you don't factor in those marvelous automatic sentries from the special edition, it course: 500 rounds each, automated fire and aim control, in an open corridor. Let's say 5 to 10 rounds to down a target each... They could have take care of the whole damn hive by themselves!

Just a quick thought, I was watching the movie.
 
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Re: How many xenos on LV-426?

Mon 22 Jul 2019, 17:42

Maybe 50 or so xenos died in the superciticality event, rather than to the sentries. 
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Re: How many xenos on LV-426?

Thu 25 Jul 2019, 00:08

Alien River of pain explains a bit more of this. There where a fair few more people on the planet, a contingent of marines and also there was cows...thats right cows so that could explain there being more host for xenos. 
 
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Re: How many xenos on LV-426?

Thu 25 Jul 2019, 13:01

Let's say 5 to 10 rounds to down a target each... They could have take care of the whole damn hive by themselves!
I think you're a bit light. They let off a pretty long burst when they tested them by throwing that cylinder thingy. Once the attack begins, the ammo count drops by at least 20 in the same amount of time.

And during the test fire, both guns fired at the same target, so you gotta assume some redundancy in the target locking, plus the xenomorphs move a lot faster than a metal cylinder. So if they managed to kill even 50 xenoes between them, I'd be impressed.

But it is kind of interresting that both guns seem to start out att 500 rounds _after_ the test fire =D
 
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Re: How many xenos on LV-426?

Fri 02 Aug 2019, 04:00

Also AvP-R shows a stage in the alien life cycle we never saw before. A premature queen trying to establish a hive. Presumably on the derelict ship there was no queen. One of the first people infected would have birthed a queen. And that queen would have been placing 3-5 embryos inside of a host directly instead of using face huggers until it got to the egg laying stage after establishing it's hive near the reactors. That 150 could easily have been closer to 250 or 300 under those circumstances considering how quickly the premature queen pred-alien made it's massive swarm over the course of a week or so in that city.
 
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Re: How many xenos on LV-426?

Fri 02 Aug 2019, 09:57

And that queen would have been placing 3-5 embryos inside of a host directly instead of using face huggers until it got to the egg laying stage after establishing it's hive near the reactors.
Has it been established that this is a trait of the xenomorph queen? I just assumed it was a quirk of the predator-hybridization and not at all how "regular" human-based queens work. .
 
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Re: How many xenos on LV-426?

Sat 03 Aug 2019, 03:46

And that queen would have been placing 3-5 embryos inside of a host directly instead of using face huggers until it got to the egg laying stage after establishing it's hive near the reactors.
Has it been established that this is a trait of the xenomorph queen? I just assumed it was a quirk of the predator-hybridization and not at all how "regular" human-based queens work. .
Why would that be the case? When a xenomorph comes out of a human it stands more erect. When it comes out of a dog/bull it's more quadrupedal. When it came out of a pred it had face mandibles. At no point in any of the changes has the aliens biological functions or life cycle ever changed. It just adapted bits of it's form and shape.

The Pred Alien in AvP-R orders around the drones exactly like the queen in Aliens. It moves from the sewers, to a construction site, to the hospital with each location being prime hive sites that get invaded by the predator before it moves on looking for a more secure location to get established. It has the beginnings of a crest on it's head and it has more fleshy areas on it's chest presumably the starts of the second set of arms when it continues to reach it's fully mature state. Unlike any other xenomorph it produces embryos, a trait only ever shared by a queen who produces them in eggs. It was problem solving smart, like the queen in aliens and unlike all the drones.

That Pred Alien is for sure a premature queen. It's the ONLY explanation for the full suite of traits we saw it exhibit.
 
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Re: How many xenos on LV-426?

Sat 03 Aug 2019, 18:10

So here's my doubts. Hadley's Hope had 158 colonist I assume including kids. That should mean, more or less 158 Xenos roaming around when the Marines showed up I guess? We factor in some casualty from the colonist defenses, maybe 155 or even 150. Situation is still pretty bad...
If you don't factor in those marvelous automatic sentries from the special edition, it course: 500 rounds each, automated fire and aim control, in an open corridor. Let's say 5 to 10 rounds to down a target each... They could have take care of the whole damn hive by themselves!

Just a quick thought, I was watching the movie.
there is a book out there, Alien: River of Pain
that tells you exactly this story.

https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Alien%3A_River_of_Pain

there were 158 colonists
1 newt (who was born there...)
3 weyland yutani scientists,
and a whole squad of marines who were there to protect the colony...
In that book wey yu already knew the derelict ship was there, and founded the colony to get access to the aliens... that's why the marines escorted the colonists out there everytime they were scavanging/exploring.

well not all of the colonists were captured and impregnated with alien embryos...
when the xenomorphs took over, many were just ripped apart and killed
so all in all... i'd count about 1/3 as casualties.
and about 11/12 of the rest 2/3 as hosts...


maybe spoiler 

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later in the book one surviving girl, one scientist, captain bracket and some marines finally made it to orbit and escape the planet only to leave newt behind who hid in the air vents and the last line pretty much states how hicks and hudson and co find her leading to aliens 2.
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Re: How many xenos on LV-426?

Sun 04 Aug 2019, 02:01

At no point in any of the changes has the aliens biological functions or life cycle ever changed.
"...that we know off". 

Or rather, we do know of an instance where it changed: the queen in Alien Resurection. And things in prometheys also mixed things up a bit in the cycle. 

The predalien queen might well be one more example of that.
 
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Re: How many xenos on LV-426?

Sun 04 Aug 2019, 05:58

At no point in any of the changes has the aliens biological functions or life cycle ever changed.
"...that we know off". 

Or rather, we do know of an instance where it changed: the queen in Alien Resurection. And things in prometheys also mixed things up a bit in the cycle. 

The predalien queen might well be one more example of that.
That we know of is true. But since "that we know of" covers an infinite amount of information its also pointless.

The queen in ressurection is not an actual queen. Its an actual genetic hybrid from the cloning process. That queen was as much human as ripley 8 was xenomorph. Humans dont have a psychic link to the xenomorphs, enhanced phsyical traits or acidic blood. Alien queens dont change their birthing process. Alien drones are not problem solving intelligent the way the ressurection drones were. Those were not real xenomorphs.

The ones from promethius and covenant are proto xenomorphs. None of them are the species we meet in alien aliens alien 3 or the avp movies. At best they are like the "missing link" for us. A genetic ancestor species.
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