Do you think this then reduces the utility of the Executioner Talent as the combat is over by the time the crit is caused?Same here. Or it can be thought of as the ruinous accident that happens when the defender has become exhausted enough to fumble a bit, boom!I am now thinking of a critical hit as the final blow in a combat to take down the enemy, kinda like in mortal kombat
At any rate I would not allow my players to inflict crits before the enemy's stat is depleted as that just begs for abuse and would force me to respond in kind. Also consider that some crits are very lethal and characters need a specific talent to kill with impunity (or pay a WP and a point of doubt).
This has got me thinking about the cold-blooded talent and the 'coup de grace' rule as well. I can just about buy into the coup de grace rule for 'Playable-race' opponents, but a WP seems a bit costly. I don't think I buy into it for monstrous creatures and wild animals that you've just had to fight for your life against.Do you think this then reduces the utility of the Executioner Talent as the combat is over by the time the crit is caused?Same here. Or it can be thought of as the ruinous accident that happens when the defender has become exhausted enough to fumble a bit, boom!I am now thinking of a critical hit as the final blow in a combat to take down the enemy, kinda like in mortal kombat
At any rate I would not allow my players to inflict crits before the enemy's stat is depleted as that just begs for abuse and would force me to respond in kind. Also consider that some crits are very lethal and characters need a specific talent to kill with impunity (or pay a WP and a point of doubt).
I guess that is the thing, if an opponent is Broken, is there any point inflicting a critical hit? I can see the point for player characters receiving a critical hit but most opponents wouldn't have an Executioner talent anyway.This has got me thinking about the cold-blooded talent and the 'coup de grace' rule as well. I can just about buy into the coup de grace rule for 'Playable-race' opponents, but a WP seems a bit costly. I don't think I buy into it for monstrous creatures and wild animals that you've just had to fight for your life against.Do you think this then reduces the utility of the Executioner Talent as the combat is over by the time the crit is caused?Same here. Or it can be thought of as the ruinous accident that happens when the defender has become exhausted enough to fumble a bit, boom!
At any rate I would not allow my players to inflict crits before the enemy's stat is depleted as that just begs for abuse and would force me to respond in kind. Also consider that some crits are very lethal and characters need a specific talent to kill with impunity (or pay a WP and a point of doubt).
By the same token, if you've just inflicted a critical on someone that has condemned them to a slow, lingering death, a coup de grace could arguably be a kindness (admittedly I think I would struggle to deliver it myself...)
It's a tough one - I quite like the idea that neophyte adventurers gradually become hardened to killing rather than starting out as the fully-fledged murderhobos that we know and love from most games, but if you were engaged in exploring a bandit lair or on a dungeon crawl, would you really leave a broken enemy behind knowing that he might, over the course of a small number of hours, recover sufficiently to run for help.It feels a bit out of keeping with the stated flavour of the game - they're supposed to be Raiders and Rogues, not the A-Team.
I'd suggest maybe combining aspects of the Executioner and Cold-blooded talents into one. Does anyone need 3 re-rolls on the critical table? Really? Really really?
I can certainly see a justification for the WP cost (maybe not in all cases, though) and I don't hate the idea. I guess because I've not seen the system in action yet, I don't know whether spending a WP to finish someone off represents 'good value' compared to the other things you could do with it.Personally I like the fact that it costs WP to kill someone that is defenseless. If a player wants to become a bad ass raider with nearly no feelings towards life and death he has to take the talent. To represent that he has become more cold-blooded over time. While in another campaign no one has taken that talent because they play more heroic characters.
All it takes to bring someone back if they are broken is a successful Heal roll. This can be done in combat as well. Perhaps something that the GM usually don't do, but I use it in MYZ every now and then if I think it fits the NPCs descriptions.
I think there are a few different tables based on the attack type, but they will all scale in lethality.That looks almost identical to the Coriolis crit table, so I think you're right, the tables in Forbidden Lands will probably be very similar.
A bonus to the dice roll would work, but I'm still not convinced it needs 3 levels of that. I'd still make the case for combining Executioner with some form of Cold-blooded. As general principle I'd prefer to see talent trees offering an interesting variety of effects rather than just escalating bonuses.