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Hey guys on page 40 on the section on spending experience points it says a new talent can be purchased without a teacher but the player must make a wits roll.
2 questions:

• Can this wits roll be pushed?
• if the roll fails does the player lose the XP?

Can this wits roll be pushed?

Ah, this is a good question. I personally don't allow it, it feels like a cheap way of getting WP, but that's me.

If the roll fails does the player lose the XP?

No, you only pay xp if you actually get the talent.

Thanks for the quick response

I really don't see why you couldn't push the wits roll. It's a pretty important roll after all and the only way for low-wits characters to reliably learn new talents.

I really don't see why you couldn't push the wits roll. It's a pretty important roll after all and the only way for low-wits characters to reliably learn new talents.

Except for have someone training you. Which is another reason I won't allow pushing the wits roll, I like the trainer option to be worth it.

I really don't see why you couldn't push the wits roll. It's a pretty important roll after all and the only way for low-wits characters to reliably learn new talents.

They’ll succeed eventually. They are low wits after all, they’re a little slow. And yeah, get a trainer if they’re worried about it.

I wouldn't allow pushing the roll for a few reasons. First the roll isn't a skill roll, just a wits roll so this isn't a skill test. Second the training isn't a about the stress of learning it is about how long does it take to learn. There is nothing lost except time for failing, the Experience points aren't lost. I also think that the push mechanic in this case would be just to gain WP on the cheap.

The rulebook states you can push a skill check, this is not a skill check also, the players will "level up" pretty fast anyway so they don't need to push it.

Just wanted to confirm, upgrading (as opposed to acquiring) a talent doesn't require a Wits roll, am I right?

Just wanted to confirm, upgrading (as opposed to acquiring) a talent doesn't require a Wits roll, am I right?

Right, rank one require a Wits roll (or training) and some sleep. Rank two and three require some sleep only.

And as a bonus clarification: Skill level one require a skill use (or training) and some sleep. Skill level two to five require some sleep only.

Besides enough xp.