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Seeking Late Period Cold War Swedish Army OOB

Thu 09 Dec 2021, 05:01

I found this piece of awesomeness, but it doesn't indicate how many of each type of brigade (or their individual numerical designations and/or names).

https://www.fireandfury.com/orbats/modcwsweden.pdf

Any assistance you can provide will be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Seeking Late Period Cold War Swedish Army OOB

Thu 09 Dec 2021, 23:16

Around 1990, the Swedish Army's wartime organisation [krigsorganisation, as opposed to the peacetime school organisation] was as shown below-ish ... close enough for game purposes, anyway.

First of all though, I need to point out a specific discrepancy on p.7 "BATTLEGROUP CWSW-20, Armoured Battalion" in relation to the actual organisation in force around 1990, i.e. the Pansarbrigad 63M (which is not what these charts are trying to show, although the differences don't seem major):

An armoured battalion at the time consists of seven companies:

1x Battalion Staff Company
2x Tank Company
2x Armoured Infantry Company
1x Howitzer Company
1x Supply Company

Also, the image on p.10 showing "MANOEUVRE ELEMENT CWSW-01, Armoured Company" needs to be clarified. The Swedish Tank Company in PB 63M consists of five platoons: four tank platoons and one mechanised infantry platoon, with three vehicles each. The image is a bit hazy on this.

Similar discrepancies probably exist in relation to other unit types, but with those, I am not quite so intimately familiar.


Now, for the brigades — there were eight Army divisions distributed over five Military Districts, with brigades allocated as follows:

Key:
PB: pansarbrigad [Armoured Brigade]
IB: infanteribrigad [Infantry Brigade]
MekB: mekbrigad [Mechanised Brigade]
NB: Norrlandsbrigad [Norrland Brigade]


1. arméfördelningen (Militärområde Syd) [1st Army Division (Southern Military District)]
  • PB 8 — Göingebrigaden
  • IB 41 — Blekingebrigaden

3. arméfördelningen (Milo V) [West]
  • PB 9 — Skaraborgsbrigaden
  • IB 15 — Västgötabrigaden
  • IB 46 — Hallandsbrigaden
  • IB 47 — Göteborgsbrigaden

4. arméfördelningen (Milo Ö) [East]
  • IB 1 — Gula brigaden
  • MekB 10 — Södermanlandsbrigaden

11. arméfördelningen (Milo S)
  • IB 11 — Kronobergsbrigaden
  • IB 17 — Bohusbrigaden
  • IB 45 — Älvsborgsbrigaden

12. arméfördelningen (Milo NN) [Lower Norrland]
  • IB 14 — Gästrikebrigaden
  • NB 35 — Fältjägarbrigaden
  • NB 51 — Ångermanlandsbrigaden

13. arméfördelningen (Milo S) a.k.a.Pansarfördelningen
  • PB 7 — Malmöbrigaden
  • PB 8 — Göingebrigaden
  • PB 26 — Kristianstadsbrigaden

14. arméfördelningen (Milo B) [Bergslagen]
  • IB 2 — Värmlandsbrigaden
  • IB 3 — Livbrigaden
  • IB 33 — Närkebrigaden
  • IB 43 — Kopparbergsbrigaden

15. arméfördelningen (Milo ÖN) [Upper Norrland]
  • NB 19 — Norrbottensbrigaden
  • NB 50 — Lapplandsbrigaden


Beyond these, there are a number of brigades not attached to any specific Army Division — special brigades, reserves and otherwise:

  • IB 4 — Grenadjärbrigaden (Milo Ö)
  • IB 12 — Jönköpingsbrigaden (Milo S)
  • NB 13 — Dalabrigaden (Milo B)
  • PB 18 — Gotlandsbrigaden (Gotland)
  • IB 21 — Ådalsbrigaden (Milo NN)
  • IB 42 — Kalmarbrigaden (Milo NN)
  • IB 44 — Hälsingebrigaden (Milo NN)
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https://www.wired.co.uk/article/aliens-throwaway-line-confusion
 
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Re: Seeking Late Period Cold War Swedish Army OOB

Fri 10 Dec 2021, 03:18

Thanks, Vader! This is exactly what I was looking for.

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Re: Seeking Late Period Cold War Swedish Army OOB

Mon 13 Dec 2021, 12:32

You're welcome!

Thought I'd add: in the OOB above, while there is only one PB organisation (the PB 63M) (apart from the Gotland brigade, which is its own thing); same being true for the NBs (NB 85) and the MekB — as the PDF illustrates however, all the IBs aren't created equal.

Here follows a listing of which IBs around 1990 are of which type:

  • IB 1: 77R
  • IB 2: 77R
  • IB 3: 66M
  • IB 4: 77R
  • IB 11: 77R
  • IB 12: 66M
  • IB 14: 77R
  • IB 15: 66M
  • IB 17: 66M
  • IB 21: 66M
  • IB 33: 77R
  • IB 41: 66M
  • IB 42: 77R
  • IB 43: 66M
  • IB 44: 66M
  • IB 45: 77R
  • IB 46: 77R
  • IB 47: 77R
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Re: Seeking Late Period Cold War Swedish Army OOB

Mon 20 Dec 2021, 02:37

In the Referee's Manual, the Swedish force accompanying US 2nd MarDiv on its drive towards Stockholm consists of the Älvsborg Infantry Brigade, Skaraborg Armored Brigade, and Life Regiment Hussars.

For whatever reason, this joint US-Swedish formation isn't given a Corps designation. I'd at least like to have a collective name for the Swedish components so that I can refer to them collectively. What is a naming convention that the Swedish army uses for an ad hoc composite unit like this? In US nomenclature, it could be a Task Force. In German, it would be Kampfgruppe [insert name of CO].

Thanks in advance!

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Re: Seeking Late Period Cold War Swedish Army OOB

Mon 20 Dec 2021, 10:43

The Swedish term is “stridsgrupp”. It’s just directly translated from Kampfgruppe, i.e., “combat group”.

You’d use the number of the core component in the formation (in this case PB 9) to designate it.

So, the formation in the game would be called “9. stridsgruppen”, “9th Battlegroup”.


It should be noted that Livregementets Hussarer is not an infantry unit or any kind of “armoured cavalry” or similar, but special forces — one of the jägare-units that were derived from cavalry (hence “hussars”). There is a thread with a little info on Swedish jägare here:
viewtopic.php?f=131&t=8740


As a side note, “Task Force” is originally a Naval term. It seems the US Army adopted it when they needed their own term for Kampfgruppe — the British and others settled for “Battlegroup”.
I am not 100% certain, but it seems to me stridsgrupp is a term confined to the Army. It appears the Royal Swedish Navy uses “insatsstyrka”, which sort of translates to “task force”.
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Re: Seeking Late Period Cold War Swedish Army OOB

Mon 20 Dec 2021, 18:13

Thank you, Vader.

I'm reconsidering what to call the joint formation. 2nd MarDiv appears to be the primary force. Marines use the Task Force designation, but almost always for formations of regimental or brigade strength, not full division-plus strength. I don't know whether to go with Task Force x (Viking, maybe) or a proper Corps designation. What do you think?

Also, what do you call major numbered roads in Sweden? Highway? Route? I'm looking at roads with numbers in blue boxes on Google Maps.

Thanks, in advance.

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Re: Seeking Late Period Cold War Swedish Army OOB

Mon 20 Dec 2021, 20:51

If I’ve understood the premise correctly, it’s still a “Task Force” (an ad-hoc formation cobbled together to answer a specific need), irrespective of the size of its constituent components, so I’d still go with calling it a TF.

Haven’t put any inordinate amount of thought into it, but international Battlegroups (or Task Forces) that Sweden has participated in have tended to have names to some degree derived from their task. I might therefore consider calling it something like the “Eastern Joint Task Force” (östra gemensamma stridsgruppen), or suchlike.


You find three categories of numbered roads in Sweden:

  • Europavägar (Green sign, number with prefix “E”) Part of the European transnational E-road network. Almost all motorways tend to be europaväg, but far from every stretch of europaväg is a motorway…
  • Riksvägar (Blue sign, number series 1-99) National road.
  • Länsvägar (Blue sign, number series 100-999) County road.

Hope this helps!
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Re: Seeking Late Period Cold War Swedish Army OOB

Mon 20 Dec 2021, 21:24

Very much so! Thanks! You will definitely receive a credit in the little project that I'm working on. Stay tuned!

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