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Re: [ALPHA] Scrounging, Foraging, Hunting limitations

Thu 03 Dec 2020, 18:12

It's not that the rabbits are huge, it's that the moose are very very small.

More seriously, a problem with shooting a moose will be how you preserve the meat. Best to shoot them in winter when the refrigerator is running. :)
 
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Re: [ALPHA] Scrounging, Foraging, Hunting limitations

Thu 03 Dec 2020, 18:15

It's not that the rabbits are huge, it's that the moose are very very small.

More seriously, a problem with shooting a moose will be how you preserve the meat. Best to shoot them in winter when the refrigerator is running. :)
a moose obviously should be around 100 rations.

in previous games the separated food from rations more or less, food you could eat directly but you have to have a talent to preserve it into rations to carry with for more than a freshness period, i have no looked into the skills yet to see if there is specialities for that here already but if not its more of an oversight than problem i guess.
 
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Re: [ALPHA] Scrounging, Foraging, Hunting limitations

Fri 04 Dec 2020, 00:52

Have a look at ...

Handbook on German Military Forces

... put out by the US War Department towards the end of WW2. A good library will probably have a copy or its available on Amazon.

Why? Well, in one of the chapters there is a breakdown of what portion of meat rations a WW2 German Butcher unit could expect to get broken down by animal type from pigs and sheep to cattle (even horses, IIRC, as you'd expect from a largely horse-drawn army).

No Moose, miniature or otherwise, however.

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Re: [ALPHA] Scrounging, Foraging, Hunting limitations

Fri 04 Dec 2020, 03:52

Thanks for that. Google is my friend, and it is online:
https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/Germany/HB/index.html

1,000 meat rations from a cow
300 meat rations from a pig
79 meat rations from a sheep

But "ration" has a different meaning here, because in the game a ration is a day's food; this is the meat portion of a single meal. So dividing by four is probably fair.

Beef cattle would likely be quite rare in this environment. Pigs would be preferred: you can keep one in a well guarded pen and feed it scraps. Sheep would also be desirable, for wool.
 
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Re: [ALPHA] Scrounging, Foraging, Hunting limitations

Fri 04 Dec 2020, 04:01

Both sheep and pigs would be rare in Western Poland as any large farm animal would have been taken by the warring armies to feed their soldiers.

In some respects Western Poland would be like parts of Germany during the 30 years war where passing armies have stripped the peasants of almost all their food to the point that they have either fled, died, or will defend what little they have to the death.

Taking a farmer's last sheep or pig may well condemn that farmer and his family to death, as you are taking not just the present but also the future by taking breeding stock. Same deal if you take the last bag of seed grain.

As a referee playing out the moral dilemmas facing the players who are also trying to survive will be a big part of the game if they are not full-blown murder hobos.
 
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Re: [ALPHA] Scrounging, Foraging, Hunting limitations

Fri 04 Dec 2020, 04:14

Both sheep and pigs would be rare in Western Poland as any large farm animal would have been taken by the warring armies to feed their soldiers.
Yes, very likely. At the same time, those organizations would have to start to realize the virtues of conserving resources. I would expect that sheep and pigs would be found under the control of organizations that had the capacity to guard them.
 
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Re: [ALPHA] Scrounging, Foraging, Hunting limitations

Fri 04 Dec 2020, 04:19

Per the Alaska Department of Fish and Wildlife:

Adult females are somewhat smaller and weigh 800 to 1,300 lbs (364 – 591 kg). A 1,600-lb (726-kg) moose will dress out at about 950 lbs (431 kg), yielding approximately 500 lbs (227 kg) of meat.

By way of comparison, for a rabbit....

The dress weight was 2 3/4 to 3 1/5 pounds. The wife totally deboned one for fried rabbit last night and it weighed 2 1/4 pounds of boneless meat

A 1000 lb cow dresses out about 500 lbs and yields about 300+ lbs of meat

I agree, I think the tables need to be expanded a bit.

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Re: [ALPHA] Scrounging, Foraging, Hunting limitations

Fri 04 Dec 2020, 06:03

Both sheep and pigs would be rare in Western Poland as any large farm animal would have been taken by the warring armies to feed their soldiers.
Yes, very likely. At the same time, those organizations would have to start to realize the virtues of conserving resources. I would expect that sheep and pigs would be found under the control of organizations that had the capacity to guard them.

This is where the Canton system comes into play. However that would occur in rear areas, not on the battlefield where players will initially find themselves. In fact getting back to a NATO canton may be a major goal of the party once they escape the immediate danger of the Soviet encirclement.
 
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Re: [ALPHA] Scrounging, Foraging, Hunting limitations

Fri 04 Dec 2020, 06:14

Agreed, but we need to be careful in our assumptions that Poland is a wasteland.

We know that globally, 50% of the population is dead. What's the casualty rate in Poland? ]

There are still millions of people around, and they're not eating dandelions.
 
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Re: [ALPHA] Scrounging, Foraging, Hunting limitations

Fri 04 Dec 2020, 08:27

1,000 meat rations from a cow
300 meat rations from a pig
79 meat rations from a sheep

But "ration" has a different meaning here, because in the game a ration is a day's food; this is the meat portion of a single meal. So dividing by four is probably fair.
Good info!

Divided by something again to take into account the difference between a skilled butcher with proper equipment (including a sausage maker for all those parts you don't want to know about :eek: ) and someone cutting up an animal in the field.

Still, it's a lot of meat.

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