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Preconditions for Talents

Sun 12 Jan 2020, 14:05

Here's my table for the concept proposed here (preconditions for talent ranks). Again, this is by no means balanced. Not among the different professions (some can learn their best talents by increasing their primary skills, some have to increase skills that are not 'favored' by the class, etc.) and maybe not with regards to actual playstyle (e.g. how often do you fight monsters?).

I'm also still not happy with some of my entries (Path of Poison, Path of Many Things).

In order to offset the inceased XP expense, the characters would have to invest with this system, I would maybe adjust the advancement cost for skills/talents to 4/4.

What do you think?

EDIT: It shows the SMF-table in the editor just fine, but the final version only shows like this:
[table][tr][td]TALENT[/td]
[td]Rank 1[/td]
[td]Rank 2[/td]
[td]Rank 3[/td]
[td]Condition[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Path of Healing[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]HEAL[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Path of Shifting Shapes[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]ANIMAL HANDLING[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Path of Sight[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]SCOUT[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Path of the Blades[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]MELEE[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Path of the Enemy[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]INSIGHT[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Path of the Shield[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]MELEE[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Path of the Arrow[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]MARKSMANSHIP[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Path of the Beast[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]ANIMAL HANDLING[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Path of the Forest[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]SURVIVAL[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Path of the Hymn[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]HEAL[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Path of the Song[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]PERFORMANCE[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Path of the Warcry[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]PERFORMANCE[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Path of Gold[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]MANIPULATION[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Path of Lies[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]INSIGHT[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Path of Many Things[/td]
[td]0x[/td]
[td]1x[/td]
[td]3x[/td]
[td]hoards looted?[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Path of the Companion[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]ANIMAL HANDLING[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Path of the Knight[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]MELEE[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Path of the Plains[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]ANIMAL HANDLING[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Path of the Face[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]MANIPULATION[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Path of the Killer[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]STEALTH[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Path of Poison[/td]
[td]0x[/td]
[td]1x[/td]
[td]3x[/td]
[td]successful poisoning?[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Path of Blood[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]LORE[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Path of Death[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]LORE[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Path of Signs[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]LORE[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Path of Stone[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]CRAFTING[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Axe Fighter[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]MELEE[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Builder[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]CRAFTING[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Threatening[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]MIGHT[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Ambidextrous[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]MOVE[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Horseback Fighter[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]ANIMAL HANDLING[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Berserker[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]1x[/td]
[td]3x[/td]
[td]raged[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Lightning Fast[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]MOVE[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Bowyer[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]CRAFTING[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Dragon Slayer[/td]
[td]1x[/td]
[td]3x[/td]
[td]5x[/td]
[td]character has fought a monster[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Firm Grip[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]MIGHT[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Fisher[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]SURVIVAL[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Fast Footwork[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]MOVE[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Fearless[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]INSIGHT[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Tanner[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]CRAFTING[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Poisoner[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]CRAFTING[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Lucky[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]1x[/td]
[td]3x[/td]
[td]character has been broken without being maimed or killed[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Hammer Fighter[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]MELEE[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Master of the Hunt[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]SURVIVAL[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Cold Blooded[/td]
[td]1x[/td]
[td]3x[/td]
[td]5x[/td]
[td]performed COUP DE GRACE[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Chef[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]SURVIVAL v CRAFTING[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Herbalist[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]SURVIVAL[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Pathfinder[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]SURVIVAL[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Knife Fighter[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]MELEE[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Pack Rat[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]SURVIVAL[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Quartermaster[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]SURVIVAL[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Brawler[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]MELEE[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Sharp Tongue[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]MANIPULATION[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Executioner[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]1x[/td]
[td]3x[/td]
[td]Enemy broken and maimed or killed[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Sharpshooter[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]SURVIVAL[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Shield Fighter[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]MELEE[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Lockpicker[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]SLEIGHT OF HAND[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Pain Restistant[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]ENDURANCE[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Smith[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]CRAFTING[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Tailor[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]CRAFTING[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Fast Shooter[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]MARKSMANSHIP[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Quickdraw[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]MOVE v SLEIGHT OF HAND[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Sword Fighter[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]MELEE[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Sixth Sense[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]SCOUT[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Sailor[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]SURVIVAL[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Spear Fighter[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]MELEE[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Steady Feet[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]MOVE[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Melee Charge[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]MOVE[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Incorruptible[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]INSIGHT[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Defender[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]MELEE[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Wanderer[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]ENDURANCE[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]Throwing Arm[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]MARKSMANSHIP[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]

Any idea how to format the table in order to make it readable??
+-------------------------+--------+--------+--------+----------------------------------------------------------+
|         TALENT          | Rank 1 | Rank 2 | Rank 3 |                        Condition                         |
+-------------------------+--------+--------+--------+----------------------------------------------------------+
| Path of Healing         | 1      | 3      | 5      | HEAL                                                     |
| Path of Shifting Shapes | 1      | 3      | 5      | ANIMAL HANDLING                                          |
| Path of Sight           | 1      | 3      | 5      | SCOUT                                                    |
| Path of the Blades      | 1      | 3      | 5      | MELEE                                                    |
| Path of the Enemy       | 1      | 3      | 5      | INSIGHT                                                  |
| Path of the Shield      | 1      | 3      | 5      | MELEE                                                    |
| Path of the Arrow       | 1      | 3      | 5      | MARKSMANSHIP                                             |
| Path of the Beast       | 1      | 3      | 5      | ANIMAL HANDLING                                          |
| Path of the Forest      | 1      | 3      | 5      | SURVIVAL                                                 |
| Path of the Hymn        | 1      | 3      | 5      | HEAL                                                     |
| Path of the Song        | 1      | 3      | 5      | PERFORMANCE                                              |
| Path of the Warcry      | 1      | 3      | 5      | PERFORMANCE                                              |
| Path of Gold            | 1      | 3      | 5      | MANIPULATION                                             |
| Path of Lies            | 1      | 3      | 5      | INSIGHT                                                  |
| Path of Many Things     | 0x     | 1x     | 3x     | hoards looted?                                           |
| Path of the Companion   | 1      | 3      | 5      | ANIMAL HANDLING                                          |
| Path of the Knight      | 1      | 3      | 5      | MELEE                                                    |
| Path of the Plains      | 1      | 3      | 5      | ANIMAL HANDLING                                          |
| Path of the Face        | 1      | 3      | 5      | MANIPULATION                                             |
| Path of the Killer      | 1      | 3      | 5      | STEALTH                                                  |
| Path of Poison          | 0x     | 1x     | 3x     | successful poisoning?                                    |
| Path of Blood           | 1      | 3      | 5      | LORE                                                     |
| Path of Death           | 1      | 3      | 5      | LORE                                                     |
| Path of Signs           | 1      | 3      | 5      | LORE                                                     |
| Path of Stone           | 1      | 3      | 5      | CRAFTING                                                 |
| Axe Fighter             | 1      | 3      | 5      | MELEE                                                    |
| Builder                 | 1      | 3      | 5      | CRAFTING                                                 |
| Threatening             | 1      | 3      | 5      | MIGHT                                                    |
| Ambidextrous            | 1      | 3      | 5      | MOVE                                                     |
| Horseback Fighter       | 1      | 3      | 5      | ANIMAL HANDLING                                          |
| Berserker               | 0      | 1x     | 3x     | raged                                                    |
| Lightning Fast          | 1      | 3      | 5      | MOVE                                                     |
| Bowyer                  | 1      | 3      | 5      | CRAFTING                                                 |
| Dragon Slayer           | 1x     | 3x     | 5x     | character has fought a monster                           |
| Firm Grip               | 1      | 3      | 5      | MIGHT                                                    |
| Fisher                  | 1      | 3      | 5      | SURVIVAL                                                 |
| Fast Footwork           | 1      | 3      | 5      | MOVE                                                     |
| Fearless                | 1      | 3      | 5      | INSIGHT                                                  |
| Tanner                  | 1      | 3      | 5      | CRAFTING                                                 |
| Poisoner                | 1      | 3      | 5      | CRAFTING                                                 |
| Lucky                   | 0      | 1x     | 3x     | character has been broken without being maimed or killed |
| Hammer Fighter          | 1      | 3      | 5      | MELEE                                                    |
| Master of the Hunt      | 1      | 3      | 5      | SURVIVAL                                                 |
| Cold Blooded            | 1x     | 3x     | 5x     | performed COUP DE GRACE                                  |
| Chef                    | 1      | 3      | 5      | SURVIVAL v CRAFTING                                      |
| Herbalist               | 1      | 3      | 5      | SURVIVAL                                                 |
| Pathfinder              | 1      | 3      | 5      | SURVIVAL                                                 |
| Knife Fighter           | 1      | 3      | 5      | MELEE                                                    |
| Pack Rat                | 1      | 3      | 5      | SURVIVAL                                                 |
| Quartermaster           | 1      | 3      | 5      | SURVIVAL                                                 |
| Brawler                 | 1      | 3      | 5      | MELEE                                                    |
| Sharp Tongue            | 1      | 3      | 5      | MANIPULATION                                             |
| Executioner             | 0      | 1x     | 3x     | Enemy broken and maimed or killed                        |
| Sharpshooter            | 1      | 3      | 5      | SURVIVAL                                                 |
| Shield Fighter          | 1      | 3      | 5      | MELEE                                                    |
| Lockpicker              | 1      | 3      | 5      | SLEIGHT OF HAND                                          |
| Pain Restistant         | 1      | 3      | 5      | ENDURANCE                                                |
| Smith                   | 1      | 3      | 5      | CRAFTING                                                 |
| Tailor                  | 1      | 3      | 5      | CRAFTING                                                 |
| Fast Shooter            | 1      | 3      | 5      | MARKSMANSHIP                                             |
| Quickdraw               | 1      | 3      | 5      | MOVE v SLEIGHT OF HAND                                   |
| Sword Fighter           | 1      | 3      | 5      | MELEE                                                    |
| Sixth Sense             | 1      | 3      | 5      | SCOUT                                                    |
| Sailor                  | 1      | 3      | 5      | SURVIVAL                                                 |
| Spear Fighter           | 1      | 3      | 5      | MELEE                                                    |
| Steady Feet             | 1      | 3      | 5      | MOVE                                                     |
| Melee Charge            | 1      | 3      | 5      | MOVE                                                     |
| Incorruptible           | 1      | 3      | 5      | INSIGHT                                                  |
| Defender                | 1      | 3      | 5      | MELEE                                                    |
| Wanderer                | 1      | 3      | 5      | ENDURANCE                                                |
| Throwing Arm            | 1      | 3      | 5      | MARKSMANSHIP                                             |
+-------------------------+--------+--------+--------+----------------------------------------------------------+
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