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Ship-jacking; how to enter a Bison-G in space (externally docked to space station)

Tue 10 Aug 2021, 19:27

Hey all, :)

I need some help figuring out the logistics and practicalities of penetrating a Bison ship, through an EVA operation, while the ship is docked to a space station. I’m a bit dumb when it comes to tech and such, and I haven’t read any of the tech manuals and blue print books either, so… help? (I think perhaps @_ArthurDallas_ could offer some insights here, seeing as he's a ship designer and all ;) )

Here’s the scenario. You’re a terrorist – well-armed, strongly motivated, capable, and have access to specialist tools and everything – and you need to take over that Bison ship, currently inhabited by only a handful of crewmembers while it’s docked to the space station where you’re roaming. You can’t walk up to the docking door and knock, but you need that ship so… an EVA take-over it is! Through where can you gain access to the Bison and what would it entail?

Hopefully, you can get to the ship and penetrate it without raising any alarms, but that might be too tall an order; you’re comfortable with fighting your way in if need be. You’re also comfortable with just cracking the ship open and let space take care of the people inside, as long as it’s possible to repair the damage and get going. Actually, in your crazed, fanatical mind, the fate of all of humanity depends on you gaining access to and taking hold of that ship! Did I mention that you’re motivated? :o

I don’t know how many entrances there are to a Bison, but I assume the following:
--all cargo bays have external entrance(?);
--there’s a shuttle-dock access point running between the Bison & its shuttle (could one, perhaps, enter via the shuttle door out of which the Nostromo Xenomorph was pushed, and get into the Bison from there?);
--primary personnel opening (which we know for a fact cannot be opened from the outside but requires someone pushing the button from within, as per Alien);
--the landing legs are stored within the Bison fuselage, so there obviously has to be hatches of some sort to facilitate their use;
--Are there any other potential opening that I have forgotten/overlooked?

I further assume that no door or hatch can easily be opened from the outside. That’d represent a clear danger for the crew. But at the same time, some sort of emergency entrance (with airlock) isn’t unthinkable either, and Alien: Isolation has, of course, shown us how this could be done (at least on a Sevastopol type space station) – break the seal and pull the lever, (Kronk).

How do we do this?

Thanks! :D

PS: If in doubt, err on the side of drama.
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Re: Ship-jacking; how to enter a Bison-G in space (externally docked to space station)

Wed 11 Aug 2021, 05:11

--Are there any other potential opening that I have forgotten/overlooked?
In ALIEN, Kane's body is ejected from a lock between the main fuselage and the engines.

You could also have any lock able to be *eventually* overriden from the outside - just that Dallas and Lambert didn't really have the equipment / skill to do so at the time they got back from hauling Kane back.

So, a motivated operative may be able to break in even if its locked.

The real trick is whether someone standing watch on the bridge would notice ...
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Re: Ship-jacking; how to enter a Bison-G in space (externally docked to space station)

Wed 11 Aug 2021, 10:41

In ALIEN, Kane's body is ejected from a lock between the main fuselage and the engines.
Oh, that's a good point! Thanks :)

I wonder... IIRC, there are some indication (early script/storyboard?) that an airlock scene was planned involving the stalking Xeno in some way; I can't remember the details. Perhaps this airlock and the hatch out of which Kane's body is ejected is the same one? Or, there could possibly be loads of airlocks.
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The real trick is whether someone standing watch on the bridge would notice ...
Yeah, I'm not entirely sure yet. Basically, this depends on what makes for the best drama in the story -- a "enemies at the door" crisis or an "enemies onboard the ship" crisis. (Yeah, the terrorists are NPC bad guys, btw). I'll have to do some mental development on that.
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Re: Ship-jacking; how to enter a Bison-G in space (externally docked to space station)

Wed 11 Aug 2021, 16:22

yes exileinparadise is right, you can override from the outside with special comtech roll any hatch (on deck B docking arm + 2 cargo bay below docking mecanism + 2 shuttle hatchs + the landing claw chamber hatch were Dallas Kane and Lambert are going out + a number of small maintenance hatchs everywhere giving access to ventilation docks) ...

Or do it the hard way, like in Aliens when they find Ripley (in the shuttle at the beginning of the movie) with a hull chainsaw tool or a lazer cutter tool. You can even cut the hull where it's thin for a surprise attack and patch everything afterward.
 
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Re: Ship-jacking; how to enter a Bison-G in space (externally docked to space station)

Wed 11 Aug 2021, 19:07

Um... where is the "main entrance" (as I'm calling it) through which Dallas, Kane, & Lambert leaves the Nostromo to explore and later re-enters?

Edit: Wait, do they leave through the "docking tube"?
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Re: Ship-jacking; how to enter a Bison-G in space (externally docked to space station)

Wed 11 Aug 2021, 19:39

if you look at my maps on the deviantart profil, you see B-deck with the upper landing claw chamber and a ground lift (this airlock is where dallas + kane + lambert go out). I can't tell if it's called de main entrance but yes you have another airlock on B-deck with the docking tube (arm). I would guest that the main entrance in space is the docking tube and main entrance on the ground is with the landing claw airlock. that's my guest.

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Re: Ship-jacking; how to enter a Bison-G in space (externally docked to space station)

Wed 11 Aug 2021, 20:22

if you look at my maps on the deviantart profil, you see B-deck with the upper landing claw chamber and a ground lift (this airlock is where dallas + kane + lambert go out). I can't tell if it's called de main entrance but yes you have another airlock on B-deck with the docking tube (arm). I would guest that the main entrance in space is the docking tube and main entrance on the ground is with the landing claw airlock. that's my guest.

deviant maps : https://www.deviantart.com/arthurdallas ... -875680779
A-ha, I see... So the "AIRLOCK B-2" is this room?
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Re: Ship-jacking; how to enter a Bison-G in space (externally docked to space station)

Wed 11 Aug 2021, 23:26

yes that's it. This room looks like a morgue or something like this with all the small hatchs. give us the creeps ...
 
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Re: Ship-jacking; how to enter a Bison-G in space (externally docked to space station)

Wed 11 Aug 2021, 23:33

And ash's blister is just under junction C-3 on C-Deck and if you remember, ash is following Dallas + Kane + Lambert from there when they go out. While Ripley scans the signal and finds out it's an emergency signal ...
 
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Re: Ship-jacking; how to enter a Bison-G in space (externally docked to space station)

Thu 12 Aug 2021, 00:58

I wonder... IIRC, there are some indication (early script/storyboard?) that an airlock scene was planned involving the stalking Xeno in some way; I can't remember the details. Perhaps this airlock and the hatch out of which Kane's body is ejected is the same one? Or, there could possibly be loads of airlocks.
There was a subplot/scene where the crew finds the alien outside the main airlock - fascinated by a green flashing light inside, for whatever reason.

As it starts to get interested in walking into the airlock, Ash sets off a klaxon and the alien jumps back as Ripley closes the airlock door.

The alien is injured, and the acidic blood eats into the airlock door and causes a loss of containment.

If I remember right, this was around after Dallas gets grabbed and before they find out Ash isn't really on the team.

And this would be seperate from the "box" alien unfolding to stalk Ripley after the self-destruct is set.
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