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Re: Rivals over a colony/planet?

Fri 18 Jun 2021, 05:36

Good points about Burke smuggling!
And I was confused when I saw the part about the Company owning the Marines, as I thought the Company used it's own security and the Marines were strictly the US military. (But, I'm definitely not an Alien lore expert.)

I do find most of the stuff in the books excellent, but I'm willing to change anything that doesn't feel right. I may make the ICC much less in the pocket of WY specifically.
 
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Re: Rivals over a colony/planet?

Fri 18 Jun 2021, 16:04

That's a very good point. Why a Coporal can decide to nuke when an offical company representative says no ahah! did'nt thought of that one and you're right. I would say that yes they (WY) run ICC but theirs strings (guys) are not everywhere (that's why they can't cover everything). I would suggest that ICC Quarantine Port or stations are run by a USCMC division. Everyone known that USCMC have tension with WY so it's not an easy win when a WY representative want to bring something "in".
 
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Re: Rivals over a colony/planet?

Sat 19 Jun 2021, 00:47

On the upside, having it in an RPG means the GM and/ or players are free to ignore the stuff they don't like.

However I suspect baseless garbage like this will get picked up by other media if they use the RPG as a sourcebook, rather than the films.

And ultimately this whole 'WY owns and runs everything', beyond having no basis in the source material, is just creatively boring.
 
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Re: Rivals over a colony/planet?

Sat 19 Jun 2021, 01:02

I agree that it is creatively boring. It also didn't make a lot of sense to me when I read it (about the ICC). It would be pretty obvious pretty fast that something was wrong with the whole set up when WY started getting a pass all the time.
 
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Re: Rivals over a colony/planet?

Sat 19 Jun 2021, 03:40

Why would Burke need to smuggle a dangerous organism through ICC quarantine if the Company effectively owns the ICC? It's like how the new Colonial Marines book says the Company funds the marines; yet the mission to LV-426 was under military jurisdiction and a corporal could nuke a colony over protestations of a Company rep.
One way to rectify it is that Ripley's knowledge of the ICC and its quarantine was almost six decades out of date.
Another thing is that just because WY and ICC are cozy on everything - stuff like dangerous organisms from the colonies might one of the clear lines of demarcation or disagreement.
So... 90% of the time, WY gets what they want - but that other 10% gets "interesting"
Plus, Burke wanted to keep info as controlled as possible and even said so
"If I made a big deal out of it - everyone steps in and there's no exclusives for anyone."
So, smuggling it in past ICC minimizes the amount of "shares" and "graft" involved...

For LV-426: "The company co-financed that colony with Colonial Administration" ~ Burke on Gateway
So, Acheron was more of a Joint Venture which always comes with a ton of weird politics and loopholes and such.
And, those protestations were after same said marines were told they were candidates for space jettison in the quest for some skeezy corporate exclusive... that also happened to traumatically kick their assets to the curb just hours before.
17 weeks in hyperspace at military speed still means a court martial is months away - if ever.
I can see the "local command authority reacted to a clear and present danger" in the after action report even if there was a court martial.

And finally - if ICC had evidence (like a marine debrief) of stuff WY was doing under cover of darkness... well that might alter the equation too.
Burke seems to have had enough snap to keep plausible deniability in mind to "save the company reputation impact"

So, lots of ways to play it...
We live, as we dream -- alone. ~ Joseph Conrad
 
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Re: Rivals over a colony/planet?

Sat 19 Jun 2021, 03:57

Good points!
I've also seen mention somewhere that the corporation is so huge that one part often doesn't know what another part is doing.
 
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Re: Rivals over a colony/planet?

Sat 26 Jun 2021, 09:02

Great thread, everyone!

My reading of the RPG and CM handbook(still in progress) is that CM handbook explicitly states the WY influence over the colonial marines is a new thing, and strongly impli older marines resist it, with support from the current SecDef.

Remember marine organisation's older grunts ages and birth dates are going to be all over the map with decades of accumulated Cryo time, look how young Gen Vaughn's pic is..(which must make keeping up with current doctrine and rules a patchwork nightmare). Plus most marines aren't from the core systems, so their view of WY is going to be very variable.

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Re: Rivals over a colony/planet?

Sat 26 Jun 2021, 16:05

Good points!
There's just no way WY has complete control over ICC and the Marines, or they would just auto-win all corporate conflicts. More like they have some influence with funding, etc.
(I need to read the new CM book, but I'm currently reading Chariots and Destroyer)

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