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Re: [HACK] Nordsaga

Tue 24 Apr 2018, 15:22

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Re: [HACK] Nordsaga

Wed 25 Apr 2018, 11:10

Byrax wrote:

Cool, I'll take a look - thanks!
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Re: [HACK] Nordsaga

Sat 05 Jan 2019, 21:53

Hey there everyone, it's been a while since I've provided an update here. I had a chance to playtest my latest Nordsaga draft just after Christmas with a visiting friend. It highlighted a number of issues which all go away if I make one big change... Make the game an official alternate setting of Forbidden Lands, rather than its own game.

I've been sitting on this thought for a good week, and it just makes more and more sense: I'll need less time to write and playtest rules, and have more time to spend on the setting, whilst also (hopefully) gaining a bigger fanbase.

CHANGES
I'll still be making some changes to the Forbidden Lands rules, but these are now much more minor:
  1. There will be no Professions. Instead, a lifepath chargen system (complete with random tables) will determine your Attributes, Skills & Starting Gear by looking at your upbringing to create classless PCs. PCs will have a list of Careers (things like farmer, peasant, pickpocket, messenger, etc), which can be used alongside Lore rolls for positive modifiers if your PC should know something from their background.
  2. A small number of Skills will be slightly expanded (Crafting, Stealth, and Healing) to allow for their use with other Attributes in certain situations.
  3. Talents will be overhauled. Current thinking is that PCs will get 3 Talents at chargen, and that's it. One determined by Culture (Kin), one by Upbringing, and one choice of General Talent. Magic is no longer controlled by Talents (see point 8 below). XP can be spent to rank Talents, but not to purchase new ones. 
  4. Increasing Skills will cost more - namely 3 times the new rank (exactly like how Talent advancement works in FBL). This means it takes longer to hit a skill's 5th rank.
  5. There will be some different XP triggers tied to personality, namely Belief & Impulse will replace Pride & Dark Secret.
  6. There will be an Insanity mechanic. The current design is a pool of Distress Points (threshold = Wits x2). When you fill up the DP pool, you roll for a Disorder (modelled on CoC's Phobias and Manias). Disorders have 3 "ranks" - Minor, Moderate & Acute. When your Disorder is acute and you fill your DP pool again, your PC's mind breaks and that character is no longer playable.
  7. There will be a mutating corruption mechanic called Ylda. This will also feature a pool of Ylda Points (threshold determined by your "Culture" = Kin, between 6-9). Each time this pool is filled, your PC gains a mutation. 3 mutations are possible before the PC is overcome by Ylda's taint, and mutated beyond recognition.
  8. Runic Magic will be the only type of magic. Spells are performed in three steps - carving a rune (this can be done in advance, and by someone else if desired), infusing it with fresh blood (often from the caster), and then singing an incantation in falsetto. Practically, this requires a Crafting roll to create the rune and a Performance roll to cast the spell. Spells will also be much more freeform, with effects based on the rune carved and intensity of the effect determined by the number of successes.
  9. As Nordsaga is a more mundane game (alt-history rather than fantasy), there will be no Artifacts.

In the spirit of Norse Mythology, I'll leave the number of major changes at nine.

ISSUES
OK, so all well and good, right? How does this affect my original vision of Nordsaga?
  1. I originally wanted a Year Zero game that only featured one dice pool (like Coriolis), to keep the game more accessible. Players will now need the custom Forbidden Lands dice to play, which are currently sold out. A deck of cards is also recommended (for initiative and advanced combat), which also further reduces accessibility and relies on issues outside of my control (Fria Ligan's supply chain). I can mitigate the card issue by creating my own card deck on PDF, but the custom dice issue is much more problematic.
  2. The game will need to zoom in on a single region to play in, since it now becomes a survival game in a semi-apocalyptic location. As this region needs to be away from the centre of the Empire, I'll probably go with the area around Jorvik / York (NE England), because I've already done a little world-building there. The apocalypse will likely be a major (fictitious) plague which has decimated the world's population.
  3. It now feels a lot less like WFRP (it started out as a WFRP hack using the Year Zero Engine) with the focus on survival, but the addition of insanity and mutating corruption will help mitigate that somewhat.

And that's really it. Nothing too major, and not many issues.

I'll stop here, because that is an awfully big wall of text - well done if you've read to the end!
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Re: [HACK] Nordsaga

Mon 07 Jan 2019, 10:24

Interesting stuff, looking forward to it!
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Re: [HACK] Nordsaga

Mon 07 Jan 2019, 22:34

Just a comment about 4. Won't this make skills be cheaper in Nordsaga? In FBL skills cost 5 times the new rank?
 
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Re: [HACK] Nordsaga

Wed 09 Jan 2019, 12:09

I understand you have your own vision for Nordsaga, but have you considered a viking-themed bared-bones version that is as close as possible to FL rules? Just change paths, careers etc to fit with the viking theme but keep it as simple as possible; not the suggested changes in costs for skills, removed rules and no specific setting included, as that will make it harder for people to use the hack. I believe that would have an even greater appeal.
 
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Re: [HACK] Nordsaga

Mon 14 Jan 2019, 20:51

9littlebees wrote:
  1. I originally wanted a Year Zero game that only featured one dice pool (like Coriolis), to keep the game more accessible. Players will now need the custom Forbidden Lands dice to play, which are currently sold out. A deck of cards is also recommended (for initiative and advanced combat), which also further reduces accessibility and relies on issues outside of my control (Fria Ligan's supply chain). I can mitigate the card issue by creating my own card deck on PDF, but the custom dice issue is much more problematic.

@9littlebees - I can't help with the card decks, but the MVP of my Forbidden Lands roller is now up: https://jkottler.github.io/fbl-roller/. You can use it on any modern browser.
 
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Re: [HACK] Nordsaga

Mon 04 Feb 2019, 10:57

Byrax wrote:
I understand you have your own vision for Nordsaga, but have you considered a viking-themed bared-bones version that is as close as possible to FL rules? Just change paths, careers etc to fit with the viking theme but keep it as simple as possible; not the suggested changes in costs for skills, removed rules and no specific setting included, as that will make it harder for people to use the hack. I believe that would have an even greater appeal.

Not sure why I didn't see this earlier, but wanted to respond.

You're right. As I've been working on this FBL conversion for the past few weeks, it feels like the more I try to change things, the more I start making a unique game using the Year Zero Engine. While I still think this is the best fit for Nordsaga, my plans have changed somewhat to reflect what you (and other people) have suggested. I'm now considering making Nordsaga into a broader alt-history setting, and releasing two games in it which allow for different playstyles. 

The first will be called something like Nordsaga: Plague Lands and will be a Forbidden Lands setting. Here are the changes I'd make to it:

  1. Different Kin, but keeping the existing Kin talents.
  2. Different Professions, trying to keep as many existing Talents as possible, though I will need to create a few new ones. There will only be one magic Profession.
  3. Different (simpler) Weapon & Armour lists to feel more in keeping with the historical period of time.
  4. No artefacts.
  5. Replacing Dark Secret & Pride with Conviction & Impulse.
  6. Simple insanity rules based on MYZ Rot (insanity point threshold = WIT+EMP; gain 1 anytime those attributes are broken, first permanent IP results in rolling for Disorder).
  7. Revised Bestiary, initially quite small.
  8. New map of the region around York with (initially) 3 adventure sites, as they provided in the FBL Beta.

Obviously people can choose to just use the first 2 points to drastically modify the feel of the game as you suggest, but I will definitely be creating a new setting. 

The second game would be a more streamlined, classless version based on my ideal Year Zero mechanics. This would feel much more like WFRP, as per my original vision, and would probably be called something like Nordsaga: Fantasy Roleplay, as a nod to WFRP.
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Re: [HACK] Nordsaga

Sat 09 Feb 2019, 12:41

I am looking forward to this viking FBL conversion too
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