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Can the Pride d12 be pushed?

Tue 05 Feb 2019, 07:27

Both descriptions of Pride on Player's Handbook p. 34 and p. 50 are unclear on whether a player should only activate their character's Pride after an unsuccessful push on a skill roll.

In the case Pride can be used without pushing a skill roll, it's not clear whether the d12 Pride die can be re-rolled as part of a push roll.
 
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Re: Can the Pride d12 be pushed?

Tue 05 Feb 2019, 07:55

No, Pride can be activated only after failed roll. It is last chance.
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Re: Can the Pride d12 be pushed?

Tue 05 Feb 2019, 17:53

But isn't a failed skill roll without a push attempt still a failed roll?
 
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Re: Can the Pride d12 be pushed?

Tue 05 Feb 2019, 18:21

But isn't a failed skill roll without a push attempt still a failed roll?
The rules say "You can activate your Pride even after you have rolled the dice, and pushed your roll". Pride is meant to be used when everything else has failed.
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Re: Can the Pride d12 be pushed?

Tue 05 Feb 2019, 18:26

But isn't a failed skill roll without a push attempt still a failed roll?
You haven't failed the skill roll until after you have decided to push or not.

Only after pushing, and still failing, can you use your pride.
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Re: Can the Pride d12 be pushed?

Tue 05 Feb 2019, 18:28

The rules say "You can activate your Pride even after you have rolled the dice, and pushed your roll". Pride is meant to be used when everything else has failed.
That's precisely why I'm asking the question: the wording in the text ("even", instead of "only") does not necessarily exclude the possibility of activating Pride before a push.

Not nitpicking here, just trying to have a clearer read of the authors' intention on that - I'm aware that during the alpha it was stated in the forums that Pride was meant to be a last resource action, but that idea may have changed in the final version of the rules.
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Re: Can the Pride d12 be pushed?

Tue 05 Feb 2019, 18:29

You haven't failed the skill roll until after you have decided to push or not.
That's a sensible interpretation.
 
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Re: Can the Pride d12 be pushed?

Tue 05 Feb 2019, 18:37

This would be an academic debate in my group since the Pride die is very precious and no player wants to use it if they still have a chance. Those times my players have used it has been after they have pushed. But I guess you can interpret the rule so that a player can activate the Pride die after a failed skill but also after a failed pushed skill roll, but as soon as he does, the skill roll is done. So if he use his Pride after a failed skill roll he can no longer push the skill roll.
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Re: Can the Pride d12 be pushed?

Tue 05 Feb 2019, 18:42

... So if he use his Pride after a failed skill roll he can no longer push the skill roll.
This is also the mechanics I was thinking on adopting - once you activate your Pride, that roll is closed.

The wording in the book is ambiguous but I think this reflects best the idea behind the rules.

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Re: Can the Pride d12 be pushed?

Sat 16 Feb 2019, 22:28

Correct - the Pride D12 cant be pushed.
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